Let's keep this simple

1. List the insite names of the 3 or 4 people who owned the countries that were deleted in Alliance server and what rank did they hold?

2. How many of those names/players have been REMOVED off your boxcar site.

2. When you stated on the 'secret forum' that you were going overseas for two weeks and then after that 'you will definitely have time', I assume that means time to help out with the proxy multies - as that was the point of the thread.

3. You claim you had access to the 'Secret Forum' for one day - how long did you have access to the 'Secret Stuff' link on the menu bar. This 'Country Pool' which was effectively a username/password sharing page which appeared to also run scripts like a bot.

4. You knew jagernacht was a cheat before you let him in, specifically asking him NOT to cheat. You still let him in, and he cheated.. Do you feel guilty?

5. Do you accept that NA will never be clean with you in charge as you have let in cheaters, encouraged cheating, lied about your knowledge of cheating and turned a blind eye to cheating? Please let me know if any of these statements is incorrect
- You personally let in a known cheater (jagernacht)
- You lied to game admins about your knowledge of the proxy logins
- You participated in a forum for cheating
- You agreed to help cheating 'when you had more time'

6. Do you plan to continue on as the head of NA?

3a) Did you have any prior knowledge to this forum/secret pages/cheating scandal prior to the day you were given access? And if so, how long were you aware that DM & Co. were doing this?

hate to add 7 but cookies or brownies?

7. why do you lie so much?

THATS 8 ITALY

let me get this straight.

you are 3-4 hrs away...BUT YOU CAN GET ON AT?!?!

Alright look.

I did a ton of fluff in 2025. a ton of fluff, that no one here ever even suspected or knew about. I've always kept things to myself, and never burned friends.

When earth empires started, I decided to play legit. completely. in all servers.

You guys know juggs was deleted in NA. there were no other boxcar accounts. since we switched over from earthstats, I haven't even checked to see who is unclaimed in our tag. all those deleted were unclaimed. juggs was member level. he no longer has access.

Yeah, I said I would have more time to help out, as I hadn't really done anything leadership wise for LaE. I've missed every war we've been in, haven't led a single warchat, and have't done a single piece of FA work. I haven't really done anything as a leader except bring over NA members to LaE. When I came back I meant I would be more active and help out.

I only ever logged into that secret forum once. That forum and the country pool thing I only ever looked at that one day. So how long did I have access? 10 minutes?

A ton of ex cheaters play this game. Everyone deserves a chance. That can not be held against anyone. juggs started NA with me as senate, how could I not let him play? when he came back, he was only a member.

No NA leaders were involved at all.

I never lied to game admins.

I had no idea those forums were there until that day I was given access.

Netters Anonymous is my clan. I came up with the name, I started it, I recruited for it, and I trained countless members, all over the past 5 years. Of course I will continue to lead Netters Anonymous.

~llaar

Now watch dagga spew a bunch more fluff out of his mouth.

I wonder if he's aware he's basically the Glenn Beck of AT.

I will Stand by what llaar has said.

It's been proven that it was one member (he actually was only a member) and it sucks.

He Deceived me, tho i wasnt incharge of looking for multis.. i didnt even think it was cross server, just FFA anyways..

but meh.. its done now, Juggs is gone and none of our leadership had any prior knowledge what was going on.

Then i say let NA suffer and die

6. I sure as hell hope so. NA isn't NA without llaar.

I'm sure I haven't seen everything, but what llaar posted here jives with all the information I've seen so far.

Snaw - despite your hard-on for NA/llaar, I wouldn't get your hopes up. We ain't going away any time soon.

This kinda feels like the millionth thread with the exact same subject and no additional information.

Just gotta sit back and let the little trolls have their fun C. They just never get enough of posting the same thing over and over and over again....

or wait till the next dramar comes along

all made by dagga

I'm pretty sure I already explained that insite.

Like bug and llaar have said.

i was a

regular.
fluffing.
member.

i held no high rank. i told no one of what i was doing. i used the confusion mainly to tag up whatever multies i wanted. blame NA all you want, but you are missing the target you want, me. i am the one you'd love to hurt since I've done so much 'wrong' in your life.

and with the amount of cheaters who've been given second chances, I'm glad I'm here to be persecuted :)

Thanks for responding to this, llaar & bug. Although it doesn't address every concern (like who exactly was involved in the multi-running, etc.), I for one appreciate that you took the time to answer this and offer at least a bit of clarity to the situation for we onlookers.

Purposeful1
LCN President

9) How do you pronounce your nick?

"1. List the insite names of the 3 or 4 people who owned the countries that were deleted in Alliance server and what rank did they hold?"


There was one country deleted whose owner was playing in Evolution. Dark Morbid's qzGT account was banned within a couple hours of his country being deleted. He wasn't even a full-fledged member, nor, afaik, did anyone else in Evolution have any idea what was going on until the deletions.

You know i love you llaar, but "no one ever suspected"? seriously?

>> i never said i was going to cheat. i said be more active. for example, i just found out today that crippler plays in focus not in lae. i barely did anything over there leadership wise


>> NA does get 95% of my attention... your point?


>> i talk about lae things with other lae leaders on messenger, at most maybe 5 times a week? i have known most of the players for 4+ years though. is that a crime? to know other players? oh noes!


>> jager was just a member in NA. he was not a leader in NA. that is all i have ever said. there is no "secret board" in NA. there has been no suggestion of one even existing. and mods have access to NA now, and confirm there isn't any secret board and none has ever existed. and yes, jager was just a plain old member. just 1 guy.


>> you're mixing two clans and two completely different issues and making no sense really, so i do feel obligated to point that out to you. so you're telling me a hacker had to hack my account? where are your morals? i logged in once. since i do think you were the hacker, you would know that that access was given just that day, and that in my message box i never even talked about or knew any of that stuff before that day.


>> no NA leaders were involved in the deletions on the alliance server. jager was. that is well known and admitted by him too. so yes, no NA leaders were involved.


>> no i didnt. show me a statement where i lied


>> really? where did i lie about anything?


>> i'm telling you everything i know. that is not lying


>> no i only said it isnt right to obtain information by hacking. which it isnt. i never said anything was doctored


>> i never had a country deleted. i've never complained ever about any deleted country, anywhere.


>> you defended what notion? your logic is unclear here. my account was hacked, dark morbid has the IP logs on the site of proxy ip's logging into my account countless times.


>> i never said i was out of town. but i was out of town for 5 days a few weeks ago. even so, i dont see why me going to a wedding a few weeks ago has any bearing on anything, considering i've never brought that up before


>> i gave mods access to our site, and i want us to be 100% legit. and we are currently as far as i know. and i never cheated.


>> juggs was a leader in LaE, and just a member in NA. is that more clear for you? no one that cheated was a leader in NA and NA leadership did not know of anything.

yes, solidsnake, there were things that i did, that no one even suspected it was me, who did them. 2025 was a different game, things happened, long ago. in earth empires i have played 100% completely legit. that was my point in prefacing my statement with that.

I suspected there was shady stuff going on in 2025 :p

I don't really care about anything in the past, everyone did things in the past they regret/did because they were young and stupid, and I do believe people can and do change....

like I said on numerous other threads, I don't expect any problems with llaar and NA in the future, and I hope that the rest of the server won't attempt to drive away a lot of good, quality players in NA because of the actions of a few.

That's a political thing, so I don't want to get too involved in it, but even if you believe that all of NA's top leadership were in on it, there's still 30-40 players who had no clue and just liked playing in NA because it was a good place to play.

Let's be honest here.

There are/were a lot of cheaters in Earth. Most of us would still be playing multiple countries/accounts/personas if we had time and commitment.

Not saying he is innocent or not. But I personally wouldn't doubt that he could be oblivious.

Charge him as a lazy leader, but not a bad one. Rooting out cheaters is a lot of work, especially in a game that is trying to be revived.

I'm not even talking about any finish I ever had either that people wondered about. So anything you're thinking of, probably isn't what I'm talking about.

Fact is, that I haven't done anything 'bad' in this game since day 1. I've played legit.

now llaar....did you have sexual relations with that woman?

i plead the fifth!

1 2 3 4 FIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFF

the river really does run deep here methinks

but, whats done is done ... no going back ... all we can possibly do is go forwards

cut it out. despite all the crap that's gone on between PDM and NA, i would be sad to see them go.

no more of this sort of trolling. got it?

as tAN said.
PDM'ers. if what you have to say is not relevant, or is nothing more than mindless trolling, stay off the boards from here on out. devote that energy to killing NA countries.
that is all.