I made two trades in the offseason, in two of my keeper leagues. I'm wondering what you guys think of them.

In one league, I have Miguel Cabrera at 3B, and I also have David Wright. I was able to trade David Wright for Jason Kipnis. Did I overpay for youth, or did I do a nice job in trading for a future all-star?

In the other league, I had both Carlos Santana and Willin Rosario at C. I was undecided between Mike Minor and Anthony Rizzo for my last keeper, and I have Prince Fielder at 1B, so Rizzo would have been in my Util slot. I traded Rosario and Rizzo to get Allen Craig, who becomes my #2 OF (along with Giancarlo), and we start 3 OFs. As a Cardinals fan, I may have overpaid to get Craig, but his 92 RBIs in 119 games was pretty awesome in my opinion.

So what are your opinions on the two trades I made to prepare for next season?

wtf, you got robbed in the david wright trade...



wilson rosario is not a keeper...hes just any catcher.... keep rizzo but how bad is your team if ur thinking between allen craig,rizzo, and mike minor?

Are you hurting or looking for specific stats?

phx - so you don't think that Kipnis will be a future star? He had 14 HRs and 31 SBs this year, and from the scouting reports on him, and his minor league stats, it seems very likely that he'll vastly improve upon his .257 average. From what I've read, he's a high effort player (known for getting his uniform more dirty than anyone else) who has speed, power, and is expected to hit for average in the future. So what's your reason for not being on the Kipnis bandwagon? Expecting the 31 SBs to be a fluke? Or the average to go down?

The Rosario trade was made in a 14 team league where each team gets to keep 9 players (only 3 of whom were keepers the previous year, so 6 new keepers every year). My 9 keepers are going to be:
Prince Fielder, Giancarlo Stanton, Gio Gonzalez, Chris Sale, Lance Lynn, Mike Minor, Carlos Santana, Jose Altuve, and Allen Craig.

I made both trades because of position eligibility - having two 3Bs in the league where I traded Wright, and having two Cs in the league where I traded Rosario. Rosario is a 23 year old catcher in the best hitters park in the majors who hit 28 homers last year, he's not just any catcher.

no i dont think kipnis will be a future star....he doesnt have the pedigree from everything ive read...hell be a solid player but def no david wright...wright has a very long track record of being a superstar while kipnis had 1 good half...also wright is still very fairly young...

also high effort player means nothing in fantasy...you can be as lazy as you want and still be the top player in fantasy(hanley ramirez comes to mind)



and take a look at the catcher positiion...theres about 6-7 no brainer better catchers...rosario will be a a middle of the pack catcher in a 14 team league...

When there's 126 players being kept (9 players by each team in a 14 team league), I think that's enough to make Rosario a keeper. With that many guys being kept, you're not only keeping stars.

Kipnis' effort means he's the type always taking the extra base when he can, which means turning singles and doubles into doubles and triples, and stealing a lot of bases. You could be right about Kipnis, but from what I had read, people seemed to predict him being a .300 hitter.

David Wright is only 29... Kipnis will be 26 when next season starts. Wright is going to be a way better player than Kipnis for the next 5 years at least. Maybe in about 6 years the investment will pay off, but by that time Kipnis will also be declining.

kipnis numbers are inflated, he overachieved in the 1st half, kipnis will never be a 30/30 type guy, 20/20 with an avg in the .270s.. and rosario, isnt an elite type catcher, ya he has raw power but his avg will kill ya. you gave away wright pretty much, you can find kipnis type guys year in and year out, but david wright types are harder to come buy, if you were gonna trade wright you shoulda got much more for him

^^^ I agree with this guy, but I think he's selling Kipnis a little short.

In the small window we've seen him, he's shown solid potential. Without a slump - who knows what numbers he woulda put up?

Wright turns 30 in December, Kipnis turns 26 in April. Way to be misleading about their ages. If you have to be that misleading, it basically ruins any trust I would have in your advice (same way that I don't trust politicians because of their dishonesty). If the truth is in your favor, you won't have to try and fool people.

From what I've read about Kipnis, the 31 SBs was unexpected, he was seen as more of a 20 SB guy, but his average was also supposed to be better than the .257 he had last year.

Don't forget, David Wright hit just .258 after the allstar break this year (but .351 before it). Kipnis went .277 before the break, and .233 after the break. Wright's career average is .301 but he hit .255 for all of 2011. I don't see that much difference in their speed & power numbers, but Wright should have a better batting average. But, he hit .250ish for all of 2011, and for half of 2012, so I don't have a huge amount of faith in his batting average. And Kipnis was a .300 hitter in the minors, and the scouting reports I've read never expected him to hit .250ish, they expected him more in the .280 range.

So the way I see it, is that there's not that much difference between their power/speed numbers. Wright might have like 5 more HRs but 5 less SBs. And Wright should have the better batting average like he did this year, but I'm gambling that the difference isn't that big. Plus, I'm getting someone who is 4 years and 4 months (and some number of days which I won't count) younger. Contrary to what Klown was trying to imply with his shady use of numbers. And both lineups are pretty bad, with Cleveland scoring 17 more runs than the Mets this year (which is about 0.1 runs per game).

Both Wright and Kipnis were way better in the first half than they were in the second half. It's a double standard to hold Kipnis' 2nd half against him, but to ignore Wright's mediocre 2nd half.

I agree with you Treach, that his steal numbers were inflated, but I don't think any of his other stats were. And I'm not sure that I can find a .270 hitter with 20 HRs and 20 SBs year in and year out. Especially when Wright is a .300 hitter with 20 HRs and 20 SBs, I don't see him being that much harder to come by (since I don't think the bavg difference will be that great).

your overinflating these one year wonders/rookies...guys like kipnis are a dime a dozen...every year guys appear like him and next year there will be another guy just like him...


david wright had been top20-25 player for the past 7-8 years.... hes money in the bag for his stats...while kipnis is a total crapshoot whether he can even be close to wright...


wright was a top3 rookie who was projected to be a stud...kipnis was nowhere near that...and the fact that wright is not much older then kipnis makes this even crazier..




my opinion is you gave away david wright for not much....