yes no maybe?

I do not think they are a scame or a pyrmid scheme so to speak. Have any of you tried it?

Steer clear.

I went to one of their "seminars". It's a joke and definitely a pyramid scheme. They are probably the most well known pyramid scheme.

If you are rich with rich friends who have more rich friends - you may be successful. Otherwise don't waste your time/money

ok, my gf is going to one of their "seminars" thrusday. told her not to sign anything. Not like she could pay anything all the money is in my bank account as I would have to be the one paying for this. It just seems legit, well it did before your post and danzig's link in EE server. Her friends friend does it. Claims to make 1.2k a month doing it. All sounds too easy, and normaly if it seems to easy it is lol. thanks ericownsyou5

you can do alright in it if you remember to NOT do what they usually tell you.


What one usually recommends is that "you change your point of shopping to Amway, don't worry about getting sales, and then recruit others under you to do the same"

if you do that, you and all your friends lose.

You NEED to sell the products as well. Just switching to where you buy products makes the people above you money and makes you lose money.

They have a few good products too that are handy. ie: the cleaner LOC i think it's called

yeah thats what it is called along with there own natural energy drink and some energy pills lol i have a few samples of them.

I love their products, I don't mind ordering from friends that sell that it, but I would never sell it....not so sure about their scheme's and levels. I guess it would be the same as when I sold Partylite or Mary Kay (never let your g/f sell that unless she knows ALOT of rich friends that like expensive makeup)

did you have to pay 200 bucks to start selling mary kay or partylite? lol

They are going to have all of these opulently wealthy people upstream of you pitch this as a wealth maker that built their fortunes. Just ask yourself a question, look around and ask yourself - 'Where is the money coming from?'

Its kind of like the old adage in poker, if you sit down at a poker table for an hour and can't figure out who the sucker is . . . its you.

lol ok good comparison

Red X.

Amway does have potential, if you can get a few hundred people under you who are all buying the products. It IS a pyramid scheme, so if you (or your gf) do decide to get involved, realize that you have to get many people under you to make any sort of money. There are many people making money doing Amway, but there are more who are not.

However, some of their products are amazing. Their vitamin line is top notch if you do use vitamins, their energy drinks are the only energy drinks I will drink. Roteolla is a great, natural energy booster as well. Some of their soaps and cleaning products are great as well. I use SA8 laundry soap and it costs far less overall than buying tide, while yielding similar results.

My advise would be to take it with a grain of salt. Yes you could make money, if you are really ambitious and even more convincing. It would take a lot of time, effort and frustration, but it can be done. The guy I buy my Amway products from has been doing it for 10 years and has been able to afford making it his only source of income recently, and is now dabbling into rental property.

But definitely don't look at it like it's going to be a money maker right away.

don't overanalyze it.
no one has ever made money from Amway.

and if someway somehow somewhere someone did actually make a little bit of money - they would have made far more with a paper route.

also - what are you all talking about wealthy people??

no one with any sort of wealth or status or any of that junk has ever heard of amway.
and who is the 'opulently wealthy'

sounds like the noveau riche to me.
i'd like to see their club memberships

Their training system is a huge ripoff, and they don't want to tell you how much money they make off getting people to buy audio CDs, books, and to attend seminars and conferences.

It's not that hard to make money as a distributor if you just focus on developing customers, and not getting into the pyramid crap.

They do have some good products, and you can sell those and make some money that way. Just don't get into their training systems (not unless you make sure that its fully paid for by your profits from selling their products), and focus on customers, not getting people working under you.

If you just try to get customers, they'll like your product, and it'll be easy. If you try to get small business owners under you, you're going to put a lot of work into a revolving door, because their system is not as good as advertised.

give me the raw numbers.

how do you make money? what is your overhead?
what is your potential risk? potential upside?


and rockman, that's like arguing that one can do ok playing a rainbow strat. what's the sense of doing amway? it's the rainbow strat of life

If you got in with them on the ground level or pretty close to when they started, it would have been one heck of a company to start with. As of now, no. I wouldn't waste my time with them if I lived in America. Depending on where you live you could make some money though since a substantial amount of their revenue comes from outside the US.

http://online.wsj.com/...04577223302734609434.html

posted a long time ago but maybe this can help a bit.

I heard if you invested early on with Madoff you'd be killing it by now ;)

Well a ponzi scheme is a tad different than a 10 billion dollar pyramid company. Considering the fraud and what not, one is illegal while the other is legal.

11.7 billion in 2011. And the only one who had a good clear factual response here was Nuketon. Top notch products (or they probably wouldn't be doing so well). But if your looking to get involved with it as a business don't expect a get rich quick thing.

Haha be cautious on what information you listen to Red X. If kids like RickyBobby try and correct unaudited revenue estimates you know they have no idea what they are talking about. Their own company website doesn't even claim they earned that much. If he did know what he was talking about he would know that most of the revenue comes from outside the United States. It will be hard to get in the game if you live here but if you live in markets like China, Malaysia and Russia you could potentially have a good shot at making some good money. Part of the reason is it's been here in America for a while. These newer markets contributed a lot to amway sales recently and the most beneficial part of a pyramid scheme is at the top, not the bottom.

http://www.ftc.gov/...affreport/00008-57281.pdf

I never said it was all done in America. In addition to the countries you named, also Korea and Jamaica have contributed greatly to the growth in the last few years. You should probably figure out what a pyramid scheme is before you go throwing that term about (key point is they are illegal). You should check out who chairs your US Chamber of Commerce. BBB gives it an A+ rating. But I agree with you on one thing, people should really be cautious of who they get their information from.

I am going to have her do AVON, its only going to cost me about 10 bucks a time she does it.

Lol hasn't been released yet? They are a privately held company....As for your pyramid scheme comment, I know they are incredibly complex and hard to understand but here is a website that explains it in laymen terms. http://money.howstuffworks.com/pyramid-scheme.htm. Pyramids are illegal so they call them MLM's because it tricks people like you Ricky. You also want to bring up the BBB? Where you pay to play to receive a higher rating? I can't tell if you are being serious or if you just wanted to be a jokester.

Red X, I am actually very unfamiliar with AVON. Luckily they are a public company and they are required to have their financial statements audited. Much easier to do research at least.

How does it work where you work? I'm sure the owner/guy at the top makes the most money also.
To be a part of the BBB you pay an annual membership fee, you don't pay for your rating.
I'm sure just changing the description from "pyramid scheme" to "MLM" definitely erased all the skepticism from people who are involved in MLM businesses.
I do my research also, but instead of reading blogs and articles of randoms on the internet I actually call companies and get in contact with people who actually know what they are talking about.
Anyways, good luck with whatever she does Red X, I won't be commenting on this post anymore

Vic, when I got sucked in back in the early 90's, it was under a bunch of folks that were making a ton of money. The thing is they were not making that money selling Amway, they were making selling books and motivational tapes (!?!), and business guides to football stadiums full of suckers. Google Bill Britt, Paul Miller, and Rocky Covington - they were the top of my upline. At one point I went to a show at the University of TN basketball arena with over 15k people. That was when I realized how much they made selling tickets and how little they cared about selling soap.

hehe I used to have an upline. I was never any good at selling it though and basically just bought stuff from myself which is actually worth paying the money if you use the products all the time. :D

My mom used to be into this amway fluff. I went to a seminar with her once... way creepy lol.
It's the same type of people you'd expect to fall for that scientology fluff.

I worked for a DR, I babysat his kids in college (got paid to play videogames) while he was selling Amway,

He made some VERY good money...but, he did the work and got people underneath him.

it only works if you get the people underneath you.

ALl multilevel schemese are like that.

But most people lose money at it.

Thought about it, but it looked too good to be true.

Avon is not that great either. Just saying. Unless she has alot of friends that will buy Avon. Otherwise if she is like me, she will just end up buying stuff for herself more than anything. And won't ever profit from it.

As for Partylite. I didn't pay anything. I ended up holding a show that covered the cost. I am just not a great salesperson to do this type of stuff. I had another friend that did Partylite and was extremely successful in it. You just need to know how to network outside your circle and have referrels etc.....Partylite is probably the only one that I would recommend doing. Good training, alot of support and if she holds a show that nets 300 dollars...there is no cost to buy the kit and training materials.

MaryKay cost me 109 dollars. Don't do that.

well, she is in a community soriety with a lot of women why i told her to try that one. =p but i do understand what you are saying galleri. I will look at partylight

Why are you looking to put her into something like this?

Cause Red realized that even a slave driver like him was not worthy of the title 'PIMP', so he's trying to cash in on her any way he can.

Plus, he really wants the discounts on the beauty supplies.

I'm thinking my wife should do something like Partylite too. I just had a baby 8 months ago and now she's discussing going back to work.... well for daycare is 750-1000 a month and then to buy another car and plate it and keep fuel in it... Her working will probably cost more than she will make.

So Partylite might be alright if she can do well at it.

http://www.partylite.com/...nt/becomeaconsultant.aspx

They should pay me for this. :P
Like I said, as long as your wives/gf are go getters...then it works well ;)