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La Cosa Nostra Retal Policy

The following rules pertain to retals:
Land grabs against LCN will be retalled and LCN's land will be retaken, unless specified different in an alliance pact.
LCN will retal hits land:land. A land:land retal is where LCN will hit the country as many times as neccesary to regain the lost land. Land:land retals have

nothing to do with top-, bottom-, mid-, side-, or upside-down feeds.
The only acceptable kinds of retaliations are SS and PS. LCN members are encouraged to use only PS for their retals.
The attacked member gets first shot at the retal and has an obligation to make sure it gets taken (either by themselves or by another member of LCN if they

cannot take it).
Retaliation grabs after 72 hours from the initial hit are not allowed. They will be considered as a landgrab.
Hits within 48 hours after a retal on the retaler will be considered a retal on a retal.

Bottom line: Other alliances will not gain land when they hit LCN. We will take our land back.



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Message from Happy Days (#572) sent on 10/03/2012 15:43:40



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last retal for your double tap. three retals withing the 48 hours retal window for your clan.



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are you 3:2 now or are you L:L?

you got your L:L in two hits, yet hit again?

do you do standard escalation of 1:1, 3:2, 6:3 or do you do L:L?

your policy states L:L, but this is the 2nd time you have not used L:L this set with me

since I had no luck contacting your FA over the last issue, guess I'll post this here for comment

Who double taps an established alliance and doesn't expect escalating retals?

llaar, you DH your first hit, then you hit again, its a double tap, regardless of how you do it. You DH'd, so am I suppose to let you go scot-free without a slap on the hand? If you got a problem, contact me - I will talk with you now, but since you like to publicize your actions, I'll be glad to post here to answer your thread.

Llaar you double tapped LCN and I'm assuming this is you

Oct 01/12 12:26:34 PM PS llaar (#1050) (xNAx) AndyFlags custom cut fluffie (#626) (LCNostra) 2720 A (+2429 A)
Oct 01/12 12:24:59 PM PS llaar (#1050) (xNAx) AndyFlags custom cut fluffie (#626) (LCNostra) Defence Held

I'm quite sure ALL alliances out their would take 3 hits.

Oct 02/12 10:07:55 AM PS Lord Slayer IXecutioner (#19) (LCNostra) llaar (#1050) (xNAx) 1282 A (+864 A)
Oct 02/12 10:06:46 AM PS Lord Slayer IXecutioner (#19) (LCNostra) llaar (#1050) (xNAx) 1581 A (+1410 A)
Oct 03/12 11:36:13 AM PS Happy Days (#572) (LCNostra) llaar (#1050) (xNAx) 1624 A (+888 A)

I'm sure this is the hits you are talking about. I not sure why you are constantly attacking LCN and than whine about there retals. If I hit a L:L clan member 3 straight times and got a total of 2K acres and they received 2K acres on the first retal (I'm quite sure everyone playing this game would say "expect at least another 5 hits, 2 hits minimum") I'm not quite sure for someone who has played this game for years and years has problems with retal policies of Clan Game Earth. I also think Happy days made a mistake since they would have had 72 hours to take the 3 retals since NA follows the other clans POLICY. LCN from what I still understand is 72 and not 48. That is the only thing I see wrong with the above post.

And Llaar NO DISRESPECT but stop embarrassing yourself and NA

I do not see what LCN did wrong here.

Deja-vu?

Yeah, going by the membership numbers only, NA is somewhere below dog poop in the Grand Order of Alliances. Nobody steps on them only because of the potential of making a mess.

The Nostra are slipping if you only got 3:2

I expect more of Assassin.........

Trife - Please let me know if llaar has offended you in any way. So we can go to war with NA for it.

Which I really think should be part of LCN policy.

It's funny how LCN come here and explain when they think they are right but won't explain killing someone in their own alliance for NO reason at all 4 days before the end of set! Stay tuned ppl for a response to this one!

llaar, I am now convinced that you are indeed suffering from insanity.

To quote Einstein: “Insanity is doing the same thing, over and over again, but expecting different results.”

Madmark, I love ya bro but llaar and his shenanigans get top billing. Your thingie is a semi interesting sideshow and really doesn't have the draw to spread out into other threads. I'm not knocking you but I have to consider the ratings. We will start losing viewers and advertisers will jump ship if we don't provide a top notch show here.

LCN retalled that quite reasonably. 1:1 on the DH, then L:L on the successful grab. You don't want to lose out with grabbing/retalling, then don't bounce.

Wow! Another thing I found out, besides what they did to llaar. Remember that #100 guy that suicided on multiple countries and no one will kill him?

Guess what? Look at the trade pact.

Have you guys EVER thought that some people that you drive AWAY from this game, won't ever join you or other alliances? They will leave. Period. NA has suffered alot of bashes in time and now it's at < 20 members and YOU STILL bash around, altho' we're not political leverage in no conflict, or a threat in any way you can think.

Anyways, I too think soon will retire for good, because I can see no matter what is done to prevent people leaving this game, other ways are found to bash and "incorporate" smaller clans. Have you thought that for every clan that is added to a larger clan, no more than 30-50% of players are actually added to that larger clan, the others leaving/retiring for good?

Meh do whatever.

*sick*

yo detox pm..

Post edited due to breach of forum rules Detoxxx. I recommend editing post without breaking the rules to get your point across clearer.

Sorry Sov, yeah...you're right. I should have posted only the trade pact of an LCN country with a suicider that stole land from multiple clans on this server. That...I can say right? Sorry but I am a bit mad :|

It' ironic that I even offered my help in regaining the land for 2 stepping THEM (LCN) in taking my land back :| Playing the nice guy doesn't pay anymore around? :|

Could be assassIn?

"LCN will retal hits land:land. A land:land retal is where LCN will hit the country as many times as neccesary to regain the lost land."

You retal L:L according to your policy, the number of hits I make doesn't matter, you get your land back via as many hits it takes to get land back that I took. you got your land back in 2 hits, hits should stop there according to L:L, no?

so if i hit twice for 1000 acres total. you retal once for 2000. do you still get two more hits? if so, that is not a L:L policy, that is a 1:1 escalation policy.

we adopted "whatever your policy is, will be our policy" to try to smooth things out. that makes things hard when you don't even follow your own policy.

Oh and just saw post on our forums with the ally report, so you really are aiding a suicider against us?

Jeez, way to be classy LCN.

bad LCN!

The sad part, is that if he had not bounced - the retal would have been the same except he would have had some land to show for it.

Like granny always said, there aint no point in paying extra for the spy-op if yer not gonna take the time to read it.

MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO ALONG

THAT WAY IT IS NEVER WRONG

""LCN will retal hits land:land. A land:land retal is where LCN will hit the country as many times as neccesary to regain the lost land."

You retal L:L according to your policy, the number of hits I make doesn't matter, you get your land back via as many hits it takes to get land back that I took. you got your land back in 2 hits, hits should stop there according to L:L, no?""


no

llaar, you are no noob and should know that if you double tap you will received escalating retals, no matter who the alliance is or what their retal policy is

Didn't NA AB #100 for no reason earlier in the set? How do you figure that he's suiciding on you if you're the ones who started the mess with him?

Why would you just AB a player out of the blue?

Sep 09/12 8:22:10 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 166 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:10 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 166 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:09 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 166 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:08 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 167 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:07 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 168 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:06 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 168 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:05 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 169 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:05 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 170 B
Sep 09/12 8:22:02 PM AB Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 170 B
Sep 09/12 8:19:18 PM SS Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 2056 A (+1598 A)
Sep 09/12 8:18:23 PM SS Romania (#480) (xNAx) Zealot of Justice (#100) (iWouldnt) 2350 A (+1829 A)

For you to be fluffing about people being driven out of the game, while ABing folks for no reason reeks of hypocrisy.

*sick*

Learn how to calculate breaks and 1) llaar wouldn't have died earlier this set, and 2) this thread wouldn't have been made.

*n00blars*

You're trolling AT pretty hard for somebody who just quit.

To whine about somebody talking about being driven out of the game, while FSing folks for no reason reeks of hypocrisy.

LCN ALWAYS HAS PROPER JUSTIFICATION FOR ALL ITS ACTIONS.

did i mention trife's a whiny beeeeyatch?

llaar, you're not doing NA any favours. Grabbing so late in the season hunting for stock as part of an 11-member tag is not the smartest thing to be doing.

Water's wet, the sky is blue, and canadians suck. Why are we stating the obvious?

Also what's funny is that after we killed llaar for being a dumbass, we put you guys on DNH.

Here's the news report from the kill on llaar until today.

2012-10-03 15:36:13 PS Happy Days (#572) LCNostra llaar (#1050) xNAx 1624A (2512A)
2012-10-02 14:07:55 PS Lord Slayer IXecutioner (#19) LCNostra llaar (#1050) xNAx 1282A (2146A)
2012-10-02 14:06:46 PS Lord Slayer IXecutioner (#19) LCNostra llaar (#1050) xNAx 1581A (2991A)
2012-10-01 16:26:34 PS llaar (#1050) xNAx AndyFlags custom cut fluffie (#626) LCNostra 2720A (5149A)
2012-10-01 16:24:59 PS llaar (#1050) xNAx AndyFlags custom cut fluffie (#626) LCNostra DH
2012-09-30 12:41:50 PS Happy Days (#572) LCNostra llaar (#1050) xNAx 1209A (2656A)
2012-09-30 12:41:29 PS Happy Days (#572) LCNostra llaar (#1050) xNAx 1107A (2988A)
2012-09-27 12:42:58 PS llaar (#1050) xNAx Garm (#519) LCNostra 2309A (4103A)
2012-09-12 01:33:11 GS Servant Bugs Burg (#495) LCNostra llaar (#541) xNAx 4C 7 F

Oh gosh, we're so horrible and mean and the biggest doodieheads EVER!

ಠ_ಠ

Llaar, in your defense, I will suggest the Llaar-only policy of always putting your country to farm so long as it's identifiable. Then again, I do enjoy reading your diatribes.

I mean our policy you link to also doesn't describe what happens if your own NA members GSed you to force diminished returns. Or, wait, what if we did that to you? I mean, are you going to continue this silly games of trying to exploit every perceived lack of detail? If so, we're hiring Assassin to write us a 40 page retal policy. We may not be able to afford him, but you will never find a flaw in that policy.

Okay, let's put this to a rest.

Wari: For one, Trife stepped down from FA, didn't quit. He's a regular member of LCN. Im the only leadership from LCN that's talking in this thread. I will be the one quitting EE, which is in a few hours.

llaar: So, next time, let's just not even slap your wrist and let you go on your merry way. It doesn't matter if its L:L or if its escalating retals. You have a problem with yourself and only yourself on this issue. I have all the respect for you, and NA, but you sir, are making an ass of yourself. Yes, I ignored your first set of RoRs contact this reset, because you should've knew better, but you had to push the issue. We made a statement, and I put NA on DNH, so nothing more happened. I made it very clear that no one is to hit NA anymore during the reset. But here's the clear fact, you DH'd then you broke, whether purposely or you screwed up your calculations, no alliance will let that slide for people to abuse them.

As for remaining bit, I wish everyone and every alliance the best of luck and a prosperous future. I will be no longer posting in this thread.

Deci: you weren't the acting FA who internally landgrabbed the member, causing him to suicide on me, causing you to puss out on reps, causing you to FS us.

So I have no particular issue with you, just your spineless associates.

right in the feels, bro

Hate to double post, but I'll be naming my country Trife LCN next reset, so you'll know where to find that spineless bastard!

So what about killing your own for no reason. Afetr all the posts no one has heard nothing!!

Why don't you just fluffing ask those that had a hand in killing your country? I'm 1000000000% sure Deci played no part in it and thusly has no answers for you.

ASSASSIN IS THE BIGGEST fluff SINCE MY OWN

MadMark LCN wants you back. Assassin has wronged you!

I guess my understanding of 100% Land:Land is wrong?

So you land:land isn't in effect if you hit more than once, and it switches to 3:2, 6:3, 10:4 5+ farm/kill standard?

What if there are 2 hits that take 10k acres, and 3 retals gets back 5k. Does esclation then switch back instead to L:L?

Basically I guess I'm asking that is standard policy these days L:L or 1:1 esclating, whichever takes more land for the defender retalling?

So if A hits B for 10k acres in 3 hits (regardless of DH or not)
scenario 1:
B retals once for 10k acres. That is L:L achieved but not 1:1 esc achieved, so B is allowed 5 more hits still?
Scenario 2:
B retals 6 times. 5k acres is acheived. B is allowed to continue retalling until 10k acres is achieved?

Are those both correct scenarios?

llaar: DH counts for 1:1 as with any alliance. you don't get to DH someone for free. so what you have is as follows:
1 hit - DH gets 1 retal
you then take 2.7k acres on your second hit.
the retal for the DH does NOT count towards land:land from the 2720 acres. otherwise you are saying someone could hit a country 45 times unsuccessfully, then grab 10k acres, and the country that was hit would only be entitled to enough hits to grab the 10k acres back.

I didn't realize this was such a difficult concept for a seasoned veteran to understand.

You get retalled 1:1 for the DH. I believe that is standard and always has been. But what do I know I have only been playing this silly game since 1843.

You get retalled land:land for the grab that broke.

Why you are looking at the DH and the successful grab as one in the same I don't know.

I don't know why this is even being questioned. Since your mind seems to be in the clouds all of a sudden I will speak with the LCN higher ups and make sure we post a special retal policy just for your country on our site.

Son, might I suggest you lay off the drugs for a bit.

So Trife, nothing has been discussed there? It just got swept under the carpet? Was there any repercussions? If i had done that to a member i'd be booted from LCN then killed and everyone would be grilling me asking WTF? But i still have had know answers from 1 single person. From what iv'e heard in the forums and been PM'd about everyone thinks egotistical assassIn (yes there is no I in team but there is in assassIn) is a total fluffwit, yet he gets away with fluff like that!! I was killed but was then blocked access to LCN. I'm guessing egotistical assassIn is still going along and being treated like nothing happened!

*no answers

You've been hunting for answers for a couple of weeks now and you have not received them. Complaining about it on the forums is obviously not going to achieve your goal.

Makes me feel better tho:) I can get things off my chest. When i post here its feels like i lift a weight off my shoulders...and my chest. Ahhh that's better!

again, i have no idea what was discussed about it as i dont have access to any heads/leaders forums anymore

again, the majority of LCN weren't involved and have no freaking idea what it was about. stop asking us for answers when we dont have any. ask those who were involved, they're the ones with the answers you are looking for.

Well its hard for me to know what has been discussed because no one said anything here and i got blocked any access at all to LCN. It seems no one has put their hand up to help me out or PM me or do anything for that matter. I just can't log into LCN forum and see who knows what and go hey why did that happen? You guys in LCN think you know nothing, how do think i feel? Was destocking etc logged into my country one morning and i was dead, then within a day was blocked access to everything.

k, go ahead and message one of the involved parties on the forum PMs then

Yeah just don't message me. I'm just a follower....