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martian Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 12:18:47

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/...s-can-win/article5084217/
apparently.
Well that and they actively surpress the social conservative element in their party.

Although tbh the columnist is waiting for some kind of patronage appointment
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BILL_DANGER Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 14:16:39

Originally posted by martian:

Well that and they actively surpress the social conservative element in their party.



HAHAHA BEFORE I CLICKED THE LINK I READ THIS LINE OUT OF CONTEXT AND NEARLY DID A SPIT TAKE WITH MY COFFEE!

aponic Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 14:38:20

I liked the point that the GOP should encourage a third party (like the Green Party!) so it splits the liberal vote.
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BobbyATA Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 15:04:26

I think the idea that the GOP needs to change it's stance on immigration is completely wrong. If Latino's want to vote with their heads up their rears for whatever party will encourage more illegal immigration, fine. No amnesty, and harsher laws against illegal immigrants are winning issues for the Republicans, especially in hard economic times where hihg unemployment can be blamed on illegal immigrants.

IMO, Romney said just enough about immigration that it was a loud issue in Latino communities and lost him a large chunk of their vote. He tried to not bring it up tho for fear of losing even more of their vote. Screw that. Terrible strategy, he'd basically lost that vote. He had many gains to make in other communities by making illegal immigration a big issue. It could be the main way for Republicans to make a dent into the black vote as well, especially if that link between lack of jobs and illegal immigrants is stressed.

Not to be too cynical, but playing the Latino/Black groups against each other is a winning strategy. If the repubs cave and just allow amnesty or paths to citizenship, that is idiotic. They will lose support of people like me, AND they just created 12M new voters who will vote by 30-40+ margins against them.

BobbyATA Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 15:08:05

I mean look at these poll numbers. Why the GOP tries to hide from immigration is beyond me. Forget the Latino vote, we've lost it already.

http://www.fairus.org/...gration-and-amnesty-polls

BobbyATA Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 15:09:50

Also, almost all Asian immigrants are legal immigrants. Stressing the link between increased illegal immigration and decreased legal immigration is a winning issue in Asian communities.

Trife Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 15:26:41

The GOP can't rely on the angry old white male vote anymore to win their elections. It'll be interesting to see how much the GOP platform chances on certain issues between now and 2016.

trumper Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 15:36:39

I think he's right one one central tenet, which is playing to our strongest argument in fiscal conservatism. Otherwise, I think he doesn't really understand American politics very well.

fluff Morris point about minority turnout was that he thought it was an anamoly event due to the candidate. What Morris missed was the drastic advances in technology that have changed the ability to turnout voters coupled with early voting in key swing states. Obama's campaign focused entirely on turning these demographic segments to go to early vote because it's like a 72hr operation extended for two weeks-four weeks.

Tactically, Republicans must combat the smear attempts more vigorously. The Obama campaign laser-focused on trying to perpetuate things like "war on women" or Republicans hating minorities. Instead of counterattack saying our values of free enterprise, opportunity, etc are representative of minorities and women, Republicans went defensive. Whenever you go defensive, you lose (age old political adage re-affirmed by Obama's first debate performance).

I still think some in my party misunderstand the response to Democrat attacks on small business. Things like that should be relegated to a "war on opportunity." The Democrats response will be predictable that it's Republicans waging a war vis-a-vis not funding xyz education/commerce/etc funding and the Republicans response should be simple: "Government doesn't create opportunity and it certainly shouldn't hinder it. Proposing more "government solutions" isn't the answer. Asking opportunity-creators and opportunity-seekers how to support them is the answer."

Anyway, the author's right in communicative failures, but I'm not sure it's simply appealing to immigrants. It's appealing to everyone but the lock-step Democrats that choice matters and that many of your beliefs are also our beliefs. Sometimes this means having more minority candidates and sometimes it means challenging the status quo (I would point out Democrats voted for a corrupt John Tierney over openly-gay Republican candidate Tisei in Mass or that a Black Mormon candidate lost to an old-school Blue Dog Democrat--sometimes it's not for lack of trying).

dex Game profile

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Nov 8th 2012, 18:43:16

The Republican problem is their old coalition is broken and instead of moderating to grow the tent, their solution is to pander harder to the white rural vote and with cynical attempts at stealing elections by voter suppression and finally by talking about issues meant for America 50 years ago.

I don't even need to go to Immigration which they are fudged on. They lost the youth vote 60/40 and young voters are now 1/5 of the electorate. They lost the Asian vote 75/25, and last I checked Obama is not Asian, so the race argument doesn't apply.

Fundamentally the Republicans are living in the past.

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Nov 8th 2012, 20:18:05

The only reason the Conservatives win in Canada is because they are one party vs 3-4 depending where you are. One center right vs NDP(Left), Green(Left), Liberal(Center left), Bloq(Left) is not going to turn out well.

The unfortunate thing for the Right side in Canada is that they are being moved very middle ground when a lot of them would want stronger stances on things like abortion etc which would lose Harper the election. They should split into two again.