Hey Pan people, I don't want to troll or anything... but whats up with the land heavy countries with 1K jets breaks?

and worse seems like you aren't even trying to get them deep into DR anymore...

Havoc get your people on line, you know how hard it is to stay being an All X when you see stuff like that?

/me cries

at this point u shoudln't really be doing LGs...less you are stock hunting. which is a no no. then again..........................

What difference is there between a 1m jet break and a 1k jet break at this point in the set?

I don't tend to monitor how our guys are playing, but generally, I'd agree with both of you.

If you grab us at a time when it's strategically valid to grab us for purposes other than stealing stock, then I'm not going to back our guys if they complain (so long as the grabbing isn't excessive, common sense applies there).

If you're stock-hunting, then we might have an issue. However, it is a good point, and I'll yell at my guys. I always run a reasonable amount of defense and I find it annoying when some of our guys run virtually 0 defense and expect everyone to just leave them alone.

Old land farms that I haven't gotten around to playing in like 72 hours due to being busy and losing internet at home. Enjoy the land ~_~

that's what I like to hear. I should be able to make further gains on Havoc this set in the Career Leaderboard if he's being lazy at the end of set :P

Yeah having my router decide to blow itself up kind of sucks, and this computer at work is god awfully slow.. Ended up forcing myself to play 12 countries on my phone last night through the data plan, which took over an hour..

Late Starts are allowed to grab whenever they want as there was no chance to stock at all and 1K jets for 10K acres of land is a great deal (networth wise)

so your point is denied :p

also having no defense is not fine at any point after turn 100

I am just saying, if you are going to keep having a zero defense policy, then you should DR yourself to hell, no matter what point of the set it is...

If I can break your country with 1000 jets or 100, or 100K, the land trade is worth it regardless of the point of the set as you are aware that LAND is also networth, if I can get lots of it without losing units, then I may as well do it, no matter what point of the set it is.

42 dead jets = - 25 networth points
8000 acres gained (not counting the buildings) = + 360000 networth

So I disagree with you Popcom (Popcorn?) grabs are legit at any point in the set, all you need is the math to ensure you are gaining more than what you are losing :P

Yeah, but at a certain point in the set it is just seen as hostile and messing with peoples finishes/jump.

Not saying that is necessarily the case with hitting my farms though.

True.

However, there's also the risk of extra retaliation if you're a small clan and are doing things to tick off a big clan. I'm in no way saying this to be a threat. If you're grabbing Havoc's landfarms that he isn't defending that with grabs that aren't obvious stock-grabs, then Havoc's gonna just eat the losses (after his 1:1 retal, of course).

At the same time, if you go into the final week and start grabbing NBK, PAN, TKO and grabbing billions in cash/bushels at the very end, if you're not in a strong enough clan to prevent them from doing so, they may just handle it however they want.

Again--not meant to be a threat for this particular instance. This is merely a statement of general principle, since your last argument was a general statement, not a statement directed specifically at us.

In addition, I don't even know what clan you're in, nor do I care enough to figure it out, so even if I was threatening you, I wouldn't care enough to find out who to hit :P

Running 20m+ turrets on 20k land is just unnecessary and poor netting btw:p

Well that is part of the politics

But If I did FA work, I would ask my members to keep a reasonable defense, or at the very least organize stuff to be certain that their countries would never be out of DR, because if your alliance allows it, you may as well make a Board/list with country threads Posting every time the DR is upgraded to 6... because is really that hard?


Board Title Recent Poster Replies Views Posted At Originator
DR Board Hit me (#23) Fulano 3 10 1.7 hours ago Someone
DR Board HIDE YOUR STOCK (#783) Popcorn 8 63 12.9 hours ago Me
DR Board Demon fluff (#999) Popcorn 7 28 14.5 hours ago LadyZ
DR Board Demon fluff (#998) Popcorn 7 28 14.5 hours ago Havoc

you have a board monitoring my DR?

I wonder how you people net... because seriously a super netting alliance as you all are called should be able to keep more than 30% of their countries deep in DR at all times.

:o

I mean YOU PAN should have a board to monitor YOUR OWN DR, so ensure no country ever comes out of it....

gez

lol I'm just wondering what you copy pasted there that has my name in it..

And most of my countries are well defended enough to not have to keep in DR.. plus there was about 15 threads earlier this set about people complaining about netters putting themselves in DR and how it is detrimental to the game, and to an extent I agree with them.

lol that's actually a great idea chaos... what the hell are you trying to pull giving them ideas like that??

Yay getting yelled at for putting myself in DR and then getting yelled at later in the set for not putting myself in DR by the same clan! wooot

Hey I used to be a trainer, and I learned all strats I could, so I could suggest/help my trainees with any strat they wanted.

Besides, I didn't like to teach them silly Rep/Farmer or Casher, you ask them what they like the most and teach them to optimize their countries towards those goals...

as an Alliance if your goal is to net senseless, and you support the use of DR, then you may as well do it in optimal conditions... just saying.

I never put mine into DR's because I think it's tacky. Then again, I run heavier defense than most and I also haven't felt the need to make a super-land fat country. Maybe if I decide to make a huge country next set, I'll change my mind on DRs.

Of course, with most of the policies of the large clans, like only grabbing an alliance a certain number of times, I'm usually thin enough compared to my PAN buddies that between my defense and my relative land-thinness, I've only been grabbed maybe a dozen times all set long, and I think that might be a quite liberal estimate.

Overall, I'd say we at PAN are one of the better netting alliances, but our biggest priority is just having fun. TKO's probably got much better netting pedigree than us at this point, and NBK's considerably larger, so while I don't see much threat to us finishing out of the top 3, I don't really see us finishing ahead of either of those two alliances this set.

LOL Havoc?

Anyways, Placing your countries in DR is by no means illegal, some people won't like it, but fluff them right?

If they don't like it, then they will go to war with you :P

DR is an abuse towards a game mechanic, but until the mods say anything about it, is a valid strategy, if others don't like you using it, then they will FS you sooner or later... THAT is the nature of the game :)

after all netting sets are the warm ups of war sets

Panlv has countries over 50k acres that are 1k jet breaks?

Or are you making up numbers? And in your numbers you seem to assume that PANLV won't retal. Which of course would make it worth it to grab them.

TO Rockman

Not 50K, but awfully close

No, and if you lose 1K jets to get 10000 acres, and they lose 1M jets to get the land back, who is being stupid about it, you or them?

I love everyone and I have nothing against anyone, but really, it is JUST common sense... or you really want untaggeds to farm you that badly?

Don't do stupid stuff as that helps the suiciders more than anyone else :/

If they lose 1m jets to get the land back, then you likely lost somewhere between 500k and 1 million turrets in their retal, so seems you were just as stupid as them.

They've had no problem with untaggeds farming them ... unless you are threatening to grab them with untaggeds?


P.S. what does 'awfully close' to 50k mean? You seem to have no clue how numbers work.

Only pussies keep their countries deep in DR. Prolly the same people that do 1K jet PS's when everyone is stocking for the endgame.

Grabbing end set for the NW gained from the land?

If we retal semi-competently you're losing half that land, defenses, and there's most likely some kind of building up/tearing down/losing CS's involved. Unless you're land stocking for straight NW? 3 Million acres and you could finish t50

Our members understand the risk/reward factors, and they play as they feel the need to, DRs or no DRs. Havoc's a special case of "fluff, I'm back from school and my girlfriend doesnt like when I DR instead of watching glee with her"

And there is a reason you don't do FA work......

*Teen Mom.

Teen mom :o

and Gal, I could make a new account, go with a 1 man tag and do FA work for myself :p

I would name myself Sir Ronald, and act like a new player so everyone plays nice and doesn't farm me to fluff... yeah I would have to be an all x/retaler like the GDI and XxX people, but is doable :)

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again, I don't want to be a fluff, so lets do this, threat me as a noob (because by definition I am acting like one) and just don't go and leave your countries with no defense, because as a noob I think any and all grabs are good for me, regardless of the retals coming :)

I have YET to hit a country with more than 1M jets break in the whole set (aka 18 days of playing), and that is an alarm right there :/

Dear Chaos,
We need to speak about the Ron thing, that you forgot to mention to me before :P
Sincerely,
galleri

if i see a 1k jet break this late into the set i'm going to take it. stocked country or not for two reasons.

1. you should have more than almost no defense if you have so much land.
2. if you have all that stock on hand, you should buy more defense to defend your stock and land.


sufficient military to deter people wanting to landgrab this late in the reset isn't so expensive that it will ruin your finish. Most people aren't going to send 1m jets on a break this set and risk missing the break on a well built country. However, everybody and their mother will jump on a high land country with a very low break, whether it has stock on hand or not. If the country owner doesn't like t maybe he should just get defense.

Someone's still grabbing my 15m defense country :/

*Farms Havok*

Wait, are we criticizing PAN for NOT putting countries into DR?

Nah, for being inefficient about it :P

Because if you allow it, you may as well do it right.

anyways Sorry to Hear about that Havoc, but if someone wanted to break 14M turrets is prolly because you left that Home Theater at home and someone wanted some of that (not me I am punny) reference to stock...

Personally I don't stock hunt, I go after Low breaks and high land gains, if your stock was at home, then I am sorry, but is very likely I didn't even notice.

Stock hunting pisses people off, and sucks when you are on the receiving end.

yes we are, all what they do is wrong!!! they just dont know how to play this game...

If the countries are at 120(120), then why waste turns putting them into DR? Doing it right means NOT GSing those countries.

you can put your countries into DR by self farming, actually DHs shouldn't put any country into DR, only successful hits should... at least that is how I feel about it

I got back more than what I lost anyway:p