near pre-anything.

That's a nonsensical statement.

Quintessential Marshal post.

Considering the universe is like six thousand years old.

The fact that Superman got long johns and a cape while Wonder Woman only got a pair of panties and some rope is just proof of the comic patriarchy at work.

I for one welcome spiderperson and non-binary ironbeing and the rest of our faceless genderless overlords.

Me thinks someone is longing for equality by way of packing Superman's super package into a pair of panties to match Wonder Woman's =P

Mmmmmmm......equality.........

The difference is that the Ian Fleming books weren't illustrated; Marvel Comics are always illustrated. But it's true that Thanos could be pink and the Black Panther could become Japanese if it's written into the story. The original illustrations of what those characters look like will always exist but, like how Spiderman: Into The Spiderverse gave us a black Spiderman, there's definitely space and opportunity to alter the characters of Thanos and Black Panther.

My understanding is that James Bond was never really described as being "white" or "caucasian" but it was accepted that he was because he was British and because Fleming was quite clear about where a character's origin was "different" (e.g. Oddjob being Korean). The illustrations of James Bond came after the books when Fleming agreed to the Daily Mail making Bond into a comic strip. The images are black and white but, of course, there's a very distinct caucasian look about him.

Although the books don't ever state "James Bond was a man, born a man with a penis", we know he's man. You couldn't take the male out of the experiences of James Bond in the books and replace it with a female image and not have to do some rearranging of the character's surroundings and actions. But taking James Bond and replacing Daniel Craig with someone like Idris Alba is not hard. There's nothing to say that James Bond couldn't be black; he has changed hair colour, body shape, accent and age over the course of the movies.

The agent "007" absolutely could be a woman, however. But I'd agree she just couldn't be James Bond. She could be Jamie Bond or Jane Bond maybe but that would feel weird because it's taking an existing character with existing traits and saying "Now think of it upside down". I wouldn't actually be put off the idea of a James Bond film introducing a female 00 agent that becomes a spin off that expands the Fleming universe. It would be refreshing to see a female spy lead in a serious film to the level of the Bond ones. Like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or Spy Game but with female characters using their strengths to get the job done.

Because of all this, I still don't understand why the OP's "white guilt" comes into this. The Ghostbusters reboot was silly but there's nothing at all to suggest that women couldn't also be Ghostbusters. Does it make for an entertaining movie? Well, that depends on who's viewing it. Same with the female reboot of Ocean's 11 with Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchette, Ocean's 8. I didn't find it as entertaining as the George Clooney led films but other people liked it. I don't see why its existence should force any white man to feel guilty about the movies that came before it - they were great. It also doesn't mean that you should feel guilty for not liking it.

I'm open to a non-white Bond actor because I don't think the colour of the skin really changes anything about the Bond character. I'm also open to seeing a female lead in a serious spy movie doing cool sh*t that I don't see Bond doing in his films because it's not the easy option for his gender (like a femlae spy becoming best friends with the wife of a scientist to illicit information from her, rather than the Bond style of tossing her sexy one liners over too many drinks and then banging her behind her husband's back).

"Are you Spiderman!?"
"Just Spidey will do, thanks. I'm gender neutral."

Like, I get it. A trans person could be Spiderman but if it's highlighted so blatantly, I think that's where it loses its impact because it feels like doing it for the sake of doing it.

They could just draw a Spidey that looks androgynous and never really refer to their gender at all, which I think would be far more powerful in that it's not talking about Spiderperson having a gender that would speak far greater volumes.

"Just Spidey will do, thanks." Easy.

Mcu has yellow already written in. Canadian yellow, if I recall.

A jew in her panties with a sword and I can't tell a lie?
Let's get more gadot. Please.

(DC and mcu needs to be understood, right?)

Tom Holland is spiderman or bust.

That’s the entire fluffing problem, these gender neutral, re write everything fwits get it wrong.

If they created natural opportunities for those types to recreate or even create new content than great it may actually fly. But there just pushing this fluff just “because” there crying equality and wonder why none of it works.

Mary Jane is a white red head, not a half black zendaya. However I can't argue with Tomei.

(Because zendaya is 23 as a white Christian male I would have sex with her. I'd prefer saldana in the green but let's keep it pg)

It appears: logic.

Thank you, that's my point, just like the gay pride movement, they're ramming that fluff down people's throat, the more they do it the more rejected it will get, the mass majority of us are ok with whatever sexual preference you may or may not have, stop yelling at me about it, same thing is happening now with "race" stop the fluffing white guilt trip, we get it, white people did horrible things to Africans taking them from their homes and turning them into slaves, yes it happened and it had been covered and those who actually did it are long gone dead, stop making the people who didn't do anything wrong feel like the scum of the universe, just fluffing stop.

/end rant

well 1m or so years ago there wasn't much going on, prev. ice age was very distant history and next was coming up much later.

Whatever drug you're on.... just stop.

no drugs or booze.

That's even more disturbing...

So your historical timestamps are as follows:

Nonexistance - Existence/precolonial Europe - Present

no.

Why do you feel guilty?

I have no guilt, I'm not even white, bro!

Oh my bad.

Then I don't get the defensiveness about "white guilty" and the movie industry - you're getting angry on behalf of a section of society you're not even part of regarding an issue that doesn't even affect you?

Would you like some? It could not make things any worse.

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Obviously part of the problem is that most of these characters were created in a far less inclusive time and the studios are trying to ride 70+ year old coat tails while appealing to 21st century sensibilities. The other part of the problem is the no compromise call-out culture that never sees the gains (we had a black president for 8 years and a gay guy just made a hell of a showing in 6 months of campaigning), they only see the thin slice of negative taht gets turned up to 11 by social media.

OMG how dare a beautiful white woman who is an A-list actress dare to play a trans woman, thats un-woke white washing! Instead, we'll force her to drop out so the movie celebrating an actual interesting as fluff transgender gangster will never get made. Great compromise.

Do they really have the power, though?

I struggle to comprehend how it's a bunch of Liberal lefties on Twitter that supposedly hold all of the sway with their political and social opinions compared to the rich elite of the world who have bank accounts far larger than the total number of active Twitter accounts each day.

Like the common criticism that all media is liberal brainwashing when all media are probably owned by people who would likely be Right-leaning or Centre-Right as neo-liberalism and capitalism works far more in their favour for wealth generation than the Socialist Left does.

Take a look at the audience the next time you're in a movie theater. Those are the consumers that disney et. al. are milking for cash. They are perfectly happy to keep feeding the pubbie masses what it thinks it wants in return for a share of those stagnating lower middle class wages. I doubt if Warren Buffet gets out to the Cineplex very often.

Exactly, which means the notion of "white guilt" actually doesn't apply - it's all about the $$$, yeah?

A black female James Bond isn't to appease black feminists. It's because producers think they'll make more money out of audiences pandering to that then they will turning James Bond into a grumbling anti-progressive that people who complain about "white guilt ruining movies" would go see.

So isn't that the market at work rather than some liberal agenda to re-engineer social norms?

On this subject... How many of you went to the theaters to see Terminator: Dark Fate? :P

Get off my fluffing lawn, ya fluff ,,!,, (-_-) ,,!,,

I’m actually here to cut it for you.

Aight, I want to see stadium grass patterns.

Jesus is known for giving.


My understanding was the three least tolerant groups of people, mooslims, gays and progressive liberals would all bring a fluff storm down on you.

When did you last eat at chic f let? And they post your image on twitter and your company and get you fired.

Nobody cares what sex I have. I don't care what sex you have. You walk into a Catholic church and totes adore the architecture? You aren't allowed to force your being a fluff but totes has to be married in a Catholic church. Go find one of ten thousand churches, not catholic, that would be happy to marry you.

Same with a baker in Seattle. You can't get cake baked elsewhere, it has to be a federal crime?

I need the grounds to be divisible by 36 and I'll give you exactly that. Hash tag white.

Not always. A lot of people assume that every decision must be motivated by money, but movie producers have other concerns, not least of which is their own legacy. If they are true believers, they might think that casting a black female James Bond is a social good. Movie studios do not want to lose money, but they cede a lot of final control over the products they create because most movie studios are multi-faceted and have many projects going on at the same time. No one from the accounting department has ever been credited as a producer in Hollywood.

Only Caucasians feel guilt?

Oh my bad.



Either he respects his fellow man and despises discrimination across the board -OR- he just is tired of fluffty movies..

or both I suppose..



I recall a black baker that made a cake for some KKK kids after anotherbakery (run by a white family) had refused. There was a interview I heard where he described the conversation of the gentlemen asking if the specific cake was going to be a problem since he was black.. The baker's response: "You're white and I'm black-we're good as long as your money's green."

One of the very few things I enjoyed from Mississippi.

No, they're being forced to.

That is about the best response you could have.