I think you're right crest. There's no "limited" war. And when Cable smashes someone he does it completely, thats a good example. I enjoy this game, there's always more to learn.

I believe most of my shock about your RORs the last few sets was over the fact that you were in position to at least challenge for the win and gave it away, because even if those countries were weaker than you, they were obviously capable of dishing out some damage in war, as they did. So I was just shaking my head watching your countries go down. But maybe you don't care, maybe you have a little bit of that Gogy/Bibi streak in you that just doesn't care. I have a little bit of that at times as well, but probably not over a retal. Btw I don't have a 'moral' objection or w/e to how bibigon plays, but it's just annoying, what can I say. He always hits me, hit me again this set, ramps up his def to make it hard to retal even though long-term I'm going to be the much bigger country. He's a better player than Gogy though. I think Gogy just lives to make the biggest landgrabs possible, and for no other reason. Dishes out set-crippling land grabs, just because it makes his eyes light up haha. Those guys are what they are.

[quote poster=Xinhuan; 30315; 564079]I'm not sure the argument of whether it is "sportsmanlike" is even a good one.

[Example A: Market-spy undercut]
Take for example, I market spied Serp to see what he priced his final resell units at, with the full intent to undercut him. Which I did. Now, is this a sportsmanlike behavior? By undercutting him, I made my finish slightly better, and his finish slightly worse. Would you do the same thing?

[Example B: Blid-oldman]
Is this similar or different from stealing cash from a player that you know deliberately dropped to zero spies to better your finish and make his worse?

[Example C: Classic topfeed]
Is this similar or different from topfeeding a player to make your finish better, and his worse?


How would you rate whether it is sportsmanlike in each example?
[/quote]

Disclaimers - My opinion remains solely mine. I am not asking for anyone to agree with me.

In example A, you are using information you gained from your op to better your finish while hoping to lower your opponent's without physically hurting your opponent i.e. spend turns to steal/raze/destroy etc. Going back to my analogy on a running race - you found out that your opponent bought a good pair of running shoes. So you went out and bought a better one. It's generally accepted in this case.

I explained example B in my previous post.

I don't know why you even brought up example C. Topfeeding is generally frowned upon anyway. You yourself even said that topfeeding doesn't benefit your own country in any way most of the time. So I don't see how this example is valid here. It is annoying and of course unsportsmanlike. I will actually go as far as saying it's stupid.

Again, I would like to reiterate that nobody is right or wrong. I have my own standards and so do you. My standards are right to myself and yours are right to yourself.

hmm, not sure why the quote doesn't work...

Cuz of Xin's brackets

Ahh alright, fair enough

DOESN'T REALLY LOOK LIKE IT. THIS RESET THE TOP 10 FINISHED WITH 509K ACRES, LAST RESET WAS 544K. ONLY ABOUT A 7% DROP. OF COURSE, THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF FLUCTUATION FROM RESET TO RESET ANYWAY, SO THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN TELL WHETHER THAT DROP WAS CAUSED BY THE DR CHANGES.

ONE THING I REALIZED I LIKE ABOUT THE CHANGE, IS IT SOMETIMES PROTECTS THOSE AT WAR FROM FARMING. SOMEONE WHO EATS 40 ARTILLERY BARRAGES CAN'T BE IMMEDIATELY FARMED BY EVERYBODY IN THE GAME 24.0001 HOURS LATER.

ONE THING I DON'T LIKE: WHILE IT PROTECTS THOSE AT WAR FROM OUTSIDE FORCES, IT ALSO PROTECTS ONE FROM THE OTHER. THE VICTOR OF THE WAR HAS A HARDER TIME CLAIMING THE SPOILS THAN PREVIOUSLY.

I THINK IN MY CASE, WHAT I LIKE ABOUT THE CHANGE OUTWEIGHS WHAT I DISLIKE ABOUT IT.

I really do like the spirit of the change, flattening out the DR instead of making it a sharp drop from 20 to 0. But I think it's just a bit over-complicated, I don't like DR being kind of a mystery, I wish if I searched a country# in-game it would just tell me the DR...

i warned people i would do ops if they grabbed me, i followed thru. same thing for this set.. i am I RETAL WITH SPY OPS #146 this time. grab me and i will run ops on you all set!

Rank Country Land Networth Special

1 Phreaker2014 (#150) 71,464 $141,102,821 DG - crest23 (Demo Farmer)
2 My tribute to Ayrton Senna (#130) 35,447 $115,660,746 DG - Grimstad (Demo Techer)
3 EEVIL WAR MACHINE (#42) 60,715 $113,471,467 CG - Serpentor (Commie Indy)
4 MacXGee (#15) 50,376 $107,149,711 DG - Ka Mac (Demo Farmer)
5 To The Top (#185) 57,240 $102,530,211 CG - Xinhuan (Commie Indy)
6 New DR Formula sucks (#174) 46,568 $94,463,291 RG - ingle (Rep Casher)
7 PS New York Is Burning (#63) 44,313 $93,759,486 RG - blid (Rep Casher - Warred #110 on last day)
8 Dark Horse (#114) 44,646 $85,178,344 DG - grimjoww (Demo Farmer)
9 disillusioned noob (#110) 54,480 $83,469,270 RG - oldman (Rep Casher - Warred #63 on last day)
10 Brandenburg (#217) 44,698 $83,038,097 CG - PaceBooM (Commie Indy)

11 DakilA (#101) 27,638 $81,643,698 HG
12 Skara Brae (#146) 51,322 $78,578,297 CG - Assassin (Commie Indy)
13 Mother Nature Is a Whore (#9) 50,312 $77,517,609 CG - now im nothing (Commie Indy)
14 god damn tree huggers (#144) 45,474 $74,476,253 CG - AzNiZe (Commie Indy)
15 Electrolytic Capacitor (#182) 44,104 $74,396,518 CG - VivaNick (Commie Indy)
16 fearvendor (#82) 47,012 $73,923,390 CG - fearvendor (Commie Indy)
17 razorwire (#91) 33,154 $69,719,703 DG - cyref (Demo Casher)
18 Mysidia (#5) 38,853 $68,340,538 CG - Toran Republic (Commie Indy)
19 Lyall Allorn (#62) 40,086 $63,111,697 RG - LATC (Rep Casher)
20 tHuNdErStRuCk (#34) 26,680 $62,208,333 DG - mac23 (Demo Techer)

21 DeLpHiNuS (#111) 38,322 $61,188,183 CG - DeLpHiNuS (Commie Indy)
22 Qz ruined grabbing (#7) 35,758 $60,929,508 RG - Chewi (Rep Casher)
23 Jew and I (#151) 22,385 $56,710,321 RG - eManny (Rep Casher - All-Explore)
24 Imaginary (#99) 55,839 $53,486,822 RG - h2orich (Rep Casher - Didn't login last day)
25 Gimme some Gummy Bears (#142) 32,810 $48,771,587 DG
26 Spot (#186) 32,451 $47,791,769 RG - crimson
27 Rahr and Sons (#58) Game profile 25,434 $43,874,725 DG - Viceroy
28 Brilliantly Incognito Land Lover (#43) Game profile 27,941 $42,707,165 FG - BILL_DANGER
29 Ang Pagbabalik (#317) 23,845 $42,556,939 IG
30 Secret Agent Man (#38) Game profile 19,488 $42,459,415 DG - SAM_DANGER

31 BlackCobra (#232) 25,915 $40,412,508 D
32 Nation of Pimps and Eggs (#49) Game profile 25,479 $38,462,996 IG - dexsydcol (username from vilesilencer)
33 NightShift (#29) 25,515 $37,318,989 DG
34 Duc Slayer (#4) 27,754 $35,479,081 IG
35 2 minutes to Midnight (#27) Game profile 36,276 $35,320,291 DG - Cable
36 RussianRoulette (#78) 19,434 $34,063,942 HG
37 DRought (#155) 45,562 $33,872,331 CG - afaik
38 Umpqua River Au Mining Operation (#218) Game profile 17,373 $33,073,207 HG - KoHeartsGPA
39 comeatmebro (#18) 21,197 $32,847,330 I
40 76 (#51) 29,627 $30,974,778 IG - Bentville

41 Enterprise NX01 (#31) Game profile 31,641 $30,624,898 RG - silentwolf
42 United States of Sweden (#108) Game profile 18,731 $27,109,993 RG - Grenander
43 Bullet For My Valentine (#24) Game profile 25,304 $25,509,651 DG - Cannon
44 Rue Dumaine (#275) 15,902 $25,180,454 FG - alexbajd
45 GWCCMOPCOYBTCBG (#118) 23,529 $24,994,158 C - MADMARK
46 NastyMUF (#329) 21,909 $24,762,520 CG
47 L1 N MAP Hilton (#128) 8975 $24,313,088 DG - Melvin21
48 I Remember Limited (#19) 18,220 $23,175,703 RG
49 Break It Down Again (#76) 21,296 $22,671,998 RG - Unlinked Account
50 Western Alliance (#112) 19,934 $21,824,275 HG

51 Primary is too SLOW (#45) 14,803 $21,021,593 IG
52 Suicidal (#21) 15,542 $20,197,464 R - Suicidal
53 bAnAnA (#208) Game profile 10,546 $19,439,080 DG - yylim80sss
54 Welcome to the machine (#84) Game profile 11,443 $18,824,530 RG - Getafix
55 Foobarian (#36) 15,028 $18,329,335 RG
56 The Black Pearl (#109) Game profile 23,693 $18,237,992 RG - 5hade
57 KAMBENG (#65) 9920 $17,978,948 RG
58 Slaatsylvania (#59) 11,202 $17,614,363 R
59 X (#13) 17,005 $16,081,094 D
60 karma is a b1tch (#100) 19,725 $15,591,740 TG

61 BiBiGoN (#92) 11,077 $15,303,630 D - Unlinked Account
62 RED DOG (#301) 17,455 $14,929,859 DG
63 WouldntYaKnow (#463) 11,943 $14,696,660 RG
64 C R O A T I A (#105) Game profile 15,686 $14,688,206 TG - Gogy
65 mink (#281) 23,498 $14,418,362 FG
66 Only you Fear the Naked (#280) 9656 $14,298,106 CG - Naked_Man
67 solaris (#131) 14,879 $13,910,865 H - drjg17
68 Whos House (#80) 13,175 $12,726,925 CG
69 Hingle McCringleberry (#179) Game profile 2370 $12,468,619 CG - SethMosrite
70 Mytopia (#199) 13,737 $12,414,824 RG

71 Candyland pKi (#11) 13,306 $11,482,295 I
72 Onaplane (#90) 14,984 $11,106,182 R
73 Ghost (#50) 12,806 $10,894,945 TG - start1212
74 Hustle Harder (#220) 14,857 $10,748,608 HG
75 Boom (#269) 11,911 $10,635,464 C
76 Black Pearl Islands (#25) 13,088 $10,569,621 C - lordwong
77 Newbland (#221) 12,415 $10,319,313 C
78 RF4 (#346) 11,076 $10,307,175 FG
79 Australia (#177) 13,612 $10,286,153 RG
80 Pure Ownage (#292) 10,352 $10,271,657 DG

81 Todonia (#87) 8267 $10,221,546 DG
82 crystalis (#126) 11,283 $9,805,707 C
83 The Last Outpost (#47) 11,287 $9,689,080 CG - Wizard
84 Sirdog (#156) 11,545 $9,616,417 CG
85 Franklins Tower (#8) 3635 $9,533,409 FG
86 Peoples Republic of Yugoslavia (#104) 12,566 $9,240,279 CG
87 POS (#214) 6826 $9,077,798 M
88 Morlock Tunnels (#168) 12,664 $8,886,184 C
89 The Empire of Jay (#41) 9311 $8,877,977 M
90 Incentro (#2) 4944 $8,652,052 HG

91 badjuju (#323) 10,337 $8,522,754 R
92 New United States (#231) 11,819 $8,421,366 HG
93 PineGap (#107) 14,159 $8,351,136 CG
94 Equate (#39) 12,011 $8,179,349 C
95 GoTuaLaP (#54) 7705 $8,031,999 RG
96 rainbow tatz (#319) 5760 $8,019,257 F
97 Cartman (#136) 10,044 $7,857,494 RG
98 Toast in the Machine (#229) 10,070 $7,679,561 DG
99 Hells kingdom (#391) 11,708 $7,613,722 M
100 Elona (#395) 9814 $7,573,521 C


Notes:
A) The above is deduced from a combination of country owners from public profiles, personalities and T100 TNW changes.

B) I do not track TNW changes outside T100, even though the data is available, Countries without listed owners have lifetime Primary TNWs lower than 207m NW, which is the current 100th in TNW.

C) dexsydcol's username was renamed from vilesilencer.

D) <Deleted, AzNiZe's country is now identified.>

E) Apart from AzNiZe, mac23 is the only other new player in the t100 TNW. Together, the 2 of them pushed out Carnifex and Hikago.

F) Of all the Unlinked Accounts in the t100 TNW, only 2 of them changed in NW this set. One is unidentified, the other is BiBiGoN.

maybe espionage should be put back

k

my finish wasn't worse at all Xin. My $185 turrets did sell.... Just had to wait til the last few min though. Also I did have some $175 jets that sold about a half hour earlier. All it did was make me wait til the final 5 mins.

That's nothing wrong, its just trying to make sure you sell before me.

Well, if I had sold more units, maybe some of your $185 wouldn't have sold!

I could have spied you both and none of yours would have sold. But I was too busy making sure I had minimal stocks on hand.

#144 xin :)

end set with stored turns, i pretty much ran it close to full stored turns all set along. Overflow few times because of hungover :P

and congrats crest!

Ah, that was you AzN? Gave me some sound advice, just didn't help me much with someone that seemed out to get me.

I think what blid did was completely reasonable. That should come as no surprise tho, since I topfed oldman in the last week of the set a few sets ago to get the cash he had on hand (he went decay and had something like 20B+ on hand). (Basically example C from above I guess)

And congrats crest. Commanding victory!

20 tHuNdErStRuCk (#34) 26,680 $62,208,333 DG - demo techer

What a horribly bad de stock I had! ROFL

u can thank me later for buying those high priced turrets and not screwin ya over in the last 30 seconds or so. :P

why is C so important? :)

Thanks Mac!!! You were my savior.

Running a race is intended to be non-contact. That makes this a poor analogy, unless you start talking about crossing into someone else's running lane. I personally believe the hockey analogy about pulling the goalie is far more appropriate.

However, I think the best analogy available comes from the world of baseball. Earlier this year, during an Astros/A's game, Jed Lowrie attempted to bunt his way on base. It was still the first inning and his team was up 7-0 at that point. The Astros had a severe shift on, and he attempted to take advantage of it by laying down the ball in a part of the field where nobody was patrolling. Bo Porter, the manager of the Astros, did not respond kindly to this. After the At Bat completed, he actually came out of the dugout to yell at Lowrie for breaking what he considered to be one of baseball's unspoken rules. Lowrie responded by saying that it was the 1st Inning still and there was a lot of baseball left to be played. In his next AB, the Astros Pitcher threw behind him twice (but never plunked him...).

Personally, I can see both sides of the story. The A's wound up winning handily, 11-3, and at 7-0, the game was already well in their control. On the flip side, there was a lot of baseball left, and the Astros at one point in time were just one swing away from cutting the lead all the way down to 2. This is a gray area, and I don't think either thought process was necessarily wrong.

At the end of the day, the shift put on by the Astros, while increasing their odds of success, left them vulnerable to certain types of attacks, and the A's attempted to capitalize on it.

moo

Yeah, that's a pretty good comparison, except that it's obviously ok to bunt into the shift, sounds like that dispute was more about doing it while already up 7-0.

It's more like a guy taking advantage of a 0 spal country in earth2025.

well, read about all that's said. Interesting analogies, fun facts and cool stats.

I am not against anything that blid, oldman or any other player doing similar antics/acts/moves.

What kinda annoys me here is that Blid taking a cheapshot to take the lead (from what I perceive, Akin to topfeeding or any other form of acts). Coming from Blid.. and what he has been claiming/exposing players who "cheat" and manipulate gameplay the past resets, was like WTF. If it was Xinhuan, Rich or any other player doin it.. I would have accepted it..

Hey blid, I AM NOT OBSESSED with YOU ! :p

Anyhow, hats off to Blid to for letting us know. Not many I know would have come clean and told everyone. Taking smack and defending his opinions.

Good game play, I learnt quite a bit from just reading how to finish the reset and maximize turns, bonuses and a little ops here and there can do to move up ranks.

Cheerios.

P.s. thanks for the list Xin, awesome as always.

+10

Every one will be looking for a 0 SPAL country code ends of set.

Ka Mac (me) and mac23 is not the same person. =P

and yes, MacXGee (#15) is mine. ;)

stfu Mac u r mac23 haha

I was about to post whether Ka Mac and mac23 are the same person, because contextually, the posts didn't make sense if they were the same person. :P

P.S: No need to quote the entire posts, you should cut out the irrelevant portions.

I noticed that, edited. Ty Xin.

26 Spot (#186) 32,451 $47,791,769 RG > crimson

Yes, yes, and... but that time he had defense, at least- he had defense to protect it. This time- this time he had nothing... he sold it all, so he could have more... a gambler... This was clean, there was no- no collateral damage. No destroyed buildings, or, no destroyed military. Nothing destroyed- it- it was only transferred, from the gambler... to- to the one calling his bluff. But he... yes, he didn't react too kindly. Yes, maybe he is defending his right to run zero spies in the future, defending not with spies but with a hostile response to thieving.

Updated the countries owners list with the corrections. 2 countries still unidentified in the top 25!

Congratz, now im new, so learn me and make me finish first this time!!!

11 DakilA (#101) 27,638 $81,643,698 HG -- zydx


29 Ang Pagbabalik (#317) 23,845 $42,556,939 IG ,

#317 is me. started 10 days late and decided to play a dictator spy country ($$$$$ and food theft) .

btw, congrats crest23!!!



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Free For All 100+
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So that was you!!! Haha!

Dang, topfed the top player when you had started 10 days late? Were you still trying to maximize your score even though you missed 10 days?

Nope, but I did maximize my doucheness.

-IXNeo

KoH, lol.

blid, I already congratulated crest and messaged him ingame after stealing some of his $$$$. :)

hmm whats that got to do with what i asked? i asked were you still trying to maximize your score even though you missed 10 days or did you do those things for other reasons?

tried to get an 8k-10K grab.

63 WouldntYaKnow (#463) 11,943 $14,696,660 RG

Belongs to me, that was a casher and I started about 3 weeks late. I am expecting to finish in the top 40 this set... if all goes well.

Does lenshark's site work for anyone?