is there a different SPAL for harmful and non-harmful spy ops?

i remember a discussion about it a ways back but can't remember...

The only difference in success rate between harmful and non-harmful spy ops is that spy DR is not applied to non-harmful ops.

Every spy op is harmful in it's own way regardless if it does damage or not!

Is this still accurate? So if you were to do 10x CD and 10x SR in waves until you start failing 7/10, if you were to do just a Spy op after the DR is not taken into effect?

If that's the case a country with a SPAL 3-4x greater tries to spy a country they should rarely fail the ops, correct?

by qz ~2 years ago:

2b) Spy DR will kick in a bit sooner, but will build more slowly. One of these sets we'll find a good balance =/

2c) Minimum chance of success for spying will be *slightly* raised

Slightly raised from what? I read the Bio Q&A from forever ago and understand how that works. But it still didn't really describe how the DR factor works... I assume it is linked to the number of attempts and sca.es like the LG DRs The actual SPAL really does nothing. Besides maybe the first 20-30 ops. And according to this post its saying that non harmful spy ops are not applied at all. Which I'm sure I failed ops on countries where my SPAL dominated theirs, and I mean to a rediculous manner....

And another issue I have with Spy DR is how it affects 0 spy countries. From my personal experience, you SR/CD/WhatEver a country 100x the fail rate for a 50:0 SPAL has the DR all most identical to a 50:25 SPAL attempt. Resulting in all most same sucess rate for all 100 ops. Spies cost a lot... they are the hardest military unit to produce and house due to the fact its only your indies that's going to be making them. 0 spy countries shouldn't be nerfed like that.

qz ~5 hyears ago: Spy Changes:

Non-Harmful spyops (spy, alliance spy, market spy, military spy) are no longer affected by Spy DR (diminishing returns), nor do they contribute to spy DR. We added this basically because, as non-harmful ops, they should not need to be diminished, as they do no harm.

original spy dr might been posted to old forums/blog since its not in announcements.