I am not trying to score points with you at all, I am stating what happened. And we did not bring this up, Atryn did.

Unfortunately Arsenal current MD leadership makes more effort in to trying to discredit me or isolate SoF rather than any real meaningful attempts at moving forward. Every time I have any dealings of any sort with MD it is coupled with MD twisting a knife into me (via the use of lies) with other Alliances.

We allowed you to gangbang LAF and we stood by and did nothing. That is pretty much the same as most Alliances in EE did in response to LAF's actions. We did not get involved when we could have clearly have FSed Evo and SOL (and won).

THEN you threatened.



Unlike MD I do not drop FDPs lightly nor do I FS them. I actually place significant value in all of my FDPs. Since I first became an Alliance leader in 2002 in MX I have never dropped a FDP and FSed them. I also have never threatened a FDP like you did with SoF. The ONLY reason why I remained even remotely sympathetic to LAF's position was that Son Goku, Don TOB and I have all been close friends since I was President of MX and we have always been allied. Don TOB is actually one of the closest friends I have had in this game ever to the point where he left LAF for a few sets after stepping down as Don to play in MX for me.

Can you honestly say you have never FSed a FDP? I can.

I would have gladly of maintained a pact with MD and LAF remaining neutral between the both and dealt with our own enemies as they lay.

You threatened us. Friends do not threaten friends. You were winning with Helmet and I until that point. I was actually your biggest supporter until you threatened SoF and then blamed me for SoF not backing you. You even tried to convince Helmet to get rid of me. Not the brightest move.

Changing history much?

They started to deteriorate when Hanlong showed us logs of MD conspiring with SoL/Evo who had been our bitter enemies for half a year. Logs showing that MD's help in negotiating a long-term peace between SoF/LaF and SoL/Evo was actually a plot to allow MD/SoL/Evo to destroy LaF and reduce them to a tier 2 power over the course of a few sets, while making sure SoF couldn't intervene. MD's motivation wasn't a suspicion of cheating, it was Arsenal's longing to avenge LaF over a 6 year old grudge that did involve LaF/RD and bots. Although MD was prepared to protect SoF, they were effectively relegating us to a junior partner without us knowing.

But of course we found out, because Hanlong had Boxcar admin access, which was given to him by TC who had rights... Immoral, but very different to cheating. He showed me pretty much everything of notice on your heads board, including logs with SoL, but there was no paranoia about cheating, not until at the very end where everyone thought Christmas had come early and discussions about how to make the most political capital out of it arose.

When it was claimed that Hanlong was going much further and that had actually hacked the Evo db, action was taken against him and LaF got crushed that set, which they agreed to and we agreed to. However, we were not going to let them get banged for a second set, when we knew the motivation was more about server dominance (I'd seen enough evidence). We defended them against our old enemies SoL and Evo and MD/PDM decided to FS us.

But if people want to blame SoF for deteriorating relations, I'd just tell people to look at how many FDPs have SoF dropped (and subsiquently FSed) compared to MD.

Only Laf? Man i feel sorry for the other alliances who miss out on such top ranking land and have to settle for the crappy poorer land from other MD'ers.

My real goal was to make sure everyone could enjoy such high quality land that comes from Arsenal, thanks man you just ruined everything :(

that was just a common joke Boltar. I, for one, was sure that neither you or Ivan were spies in your short history of MD.

When you spy you come back-door, a fake identy, low profile, iscode style. You came front door.

Did you read the entire post? Seriously?

ugh... edit
a. the time where you could leave your front door unlocked in this area(aka game) is a LONG time ago. (and it this aint texas)
b. i didnt say the front door wasnt locked, in fact IA work only starts with accepting an application.
c. i never used the word deserved, i merely suggested that i find it amusing.

I would also like to say that I think enough time has passed and that circumstances have changed considerably to the point that it is time for LCN, MD, and SOL to begin thinking about pacting SOF and moving away from the block pacting they have been pursing over the previous several sets. The game is at a stand still politically and you have been sitting in the power position for 2 resets now. The ball is unquestionably in your court.

Although I am open to a dialogue covering many topics, I will not be humoring discussions of forcing out parts of our internal leadership as has been brought up repeatedly by LCN in particular and SOL previously. I want to point out that this has been a prior set talking point that in my opinion goes beyond foreign affairs relations and into the realms of controlling other alliances.

I will make some attempts to respond to questions posted on this thread but that I am also very busy like many of you and will not have the ability to check on this thread with great frequency. That being said, you can also push questions to my inbox if I fail to address them here.

+1

Clean alliances do not feel threatened when you claim you will reveal their leaders/members as participants in RD's shenanigans. We want you to do so, so we can get rid of them.