3778 HPK

Pretty sure that is a record :P

1 - 14 now, take that!

It was no secret LaF was war prepping and planning on hitting us. He we let you guys finish conversions and get the FS we would have been tag killed within what? 3 days?

If we can keep LaF out of the top 10 this reset we'll have held our own.

Three resets ago LaF FA'd their guy that was 11th over top of our guy (Wari) that was 10th, knocking him out of the top 10.

Two resets ago LaF FA'd their guy that was 2nd over top of Evo's guy that was 1st.

Last reset a handful of players that were not going to finish well decided to aid Wari to help with his finish and give LaF a taste of their own medicine.

Had Wari finished 1st I wouldn't have considered it a completely legitimate finish just as I didn't consider LaF's 2 FA'd finishes to be legit either. I actually thought Goku and bakku would have beaten him legitimately anyway. I also expected LaF to FA their guys over top of him if he was going to take 1st and that would have been fine.

However LaF choose to send missiles and harmful spy ops at him to drop him down a rank. By all definitions that should have been considered an act of war and it was completely unnecessary (as I stated in my post about it). Had LaF's aggression stopped there we could have even moved past that.

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PDM has had LaF set to a one-way DNH for the past 3 resets. We felt there was no need to grab LaF. I would guess there may have been 5 grabs initiated by PDM in the past 3 resets with most if not all of them being arranged trades.

So before anyone from LaF says that grabbing/trading with PDM screwed up their country, I will point out that we did NOT grab you, you grabbed us and we retalled. If you didn't want to trade with PDM all you had to do was avoid hitting us. Any "screwing up" PDM did of your countries was your own fault.

Last reset PDM turned down a grabbing pact with LaF because we didn't trust LaF's leadership to honor any pact. We set you to a one-way DNH and simply retalled your hits against us. Other than 2 RoR hits and h2orich's shenanigans we didn't really have any issues with LaF.

PDM had some issues with RD last reset and RD decided to implement a 3:1 DNH with us which we had no real issues with. RD felt that them cutting us off wasn't enough so they went to Eugene and convinced him to do the same.

Contrary to what your leaders may have told you, PDM didn't ask for a DNH with LaF last reset, LaF signed a DNH with us because they wanted it at the behest of RD.

Even after the missile issue from last reset we were willing to sign a DNH with LaF this reset to avoid any conflicts and allow us to net. After being given the cold shoulder and being directed to speak with Eugene directly I ask Eugene if he would want to sign a DNH. His response was "We could give you a pact but we would just end up farming you and outrunning the retals anyway so it would just be a fake pact and I don't like fake pacts".

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PDM has no real issues with LaF nor do we have any issues with most of your members. However LaF's missiling of our country at the end of last reset and Eugene's statement that LaF would be farming us this reset leaves us no option other than to declare war against LaF.

Whether or not LaF's members want a war this reset, Eugene's attitude towards us has brought war to you. I do assume you we planning on warring anyway.

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And yes, PDM just did another AB FS against an alliance roughly 140% of our size. Let the trolling begin.

It would take FOREVER in a solo server to kill off the other countries. Would end up being teams of guys working together.

The solution to that would be to make it a war based team/alliance server.

Put a cap on max members per alliance (say 20-25)
Have a sign up period of like 1 week (no playing/turns)
Tag into the alliance during sign up
End of sign up period the server starts
Turns are semi-fast, like 1 per 10 min?
Extended beginner protection, say 200-300 turns?
When countries die they can't restart
Server continues until there is 1 alliance is left

Would be a pure war based server but would also force some decent diplomacy and pacting to avoid gangbangs. Could be a lot of interesting alliances and backstabbing going on.

i got my points last week

Are explore dropoffs the same cutoffs? Can't experiment in express or anything :(

Hrm.. wasn't the previous Dict GA bonus 2/3 and not 60%?

32% bonus was 2/3 of 48% normal?

So is the new bonus 30% or 1/3? ie, 43% + 13% or 14%

Detmer is trolling, please ignore him.

Goku: I'll post my numbers in a bit. As for "him knocking out a TIE country", 2 resets ago LaF FA'd one of your guys into 10th, knocking Wari from 10th to 11th. You did the exact same thing. That reset there was zero FA because it was my first reset back where I could net the whole reset and I wanted to see how high I could finish (4th).

I'm the only spokesperson from PDM who actually matters :P

Only difference between PDM's trolls and everyone else's is that our were mostly heads at one point. Their views are in no way official. I was elected to replace TAN for a reason.

bakku was that your Mil tech blocking Wari's? Also you DID have some private market units left right? Or did i really miscalculate what you had available since your last jump?

Forgotten: Yes

This is a game and aiding him was done for fun. If we actually cared to put someone in the top spot we would have.

If Wari would have been #1 unaided without Goku passing him regardless, and you missiled him then there would have been an issue.

Contrary to what you may believe or have been told, I, speaking on behalf of PDM, don't have any issues with LaF. (outside 1-2 individual players)

Yes congrats. You guys outdid yourselves with netting this reset. I'm waiting to see what you can do now that you have a feel for trading. I'm thinking $400M top 10 cutoff next reset on the low end :P

Did #163 mistime his destock? He had the PM to pass you up (by my calculations anyway). I forbade all our guys from spying you to see if either had the actual cash though, made it more interesting :P

I expected FA (didn't actually happen) and the blocking of his Mil tech on sale but didn't expect the missiles. I'm sure you knew he was broke so they were unnecessary.

You guys really pushed the timing on that last jump though. I knew you had the PM to pass him but I forbade our guys from spying you to see if you had the cash to buy it so was unsure. Almost had me thinking you mistimed a destock :P

And before anyone tries to make fun of our "buyout" I'll point out again it wasn't an organized effort. Was originally a single member and then a couple at the very end doing it. Wasn't timed nor planned. Only reason it was done was because Wari was FA'd out of the top 10 two resets ago and Osso out of #1 last reset. Thought it may be fun to give you a bit of competition. But you outdid yourselves this reset in terms of netting. Can't wait to see what you can do now that you found some of your flaws.

Good reset everyone.

PS: He would have finished $374M without any market help.

I'd like to ask all PDM'ers to avoid this post. Would prefer to avoid any of our guys participating in the flame war I know this thread will turn out to be.

Landtrading is definitely over-powered but eliminating it completely creates tons of issues. To find an acceptable solution you need to weaken trading and while increasing the ability to generate land in other ways.

If you eliminate trading completely then everyone starts bottomfeeding, thus reducing available acreage and making All X the predominant strat.

I would suggest:
reducing ghost acres by 10% (38% instead of 48%)
reducing dict GA bonus by 5% (27% instead of 32%)
make building cost exponential, (Land^2 / 25000 + 1500) * 3 or similar
create land bots that grow x amount of acres per day and always have 250 turrets per acre for defense
increase the drop-off acreages for exploring

This nerfs trading without eliminating it, nerfs the dict bonus a bit without screwing dict completely, makes trading only beneficial to a certain point, adds extra land to the server without making farming them too easy, and gives All X guys a chance to compete again.

At this point I'd like to go ahead and ask the PDM'ers to stop posting in here. This thread is starting to degrade into petty arguments and they aren't necessary.

As for addressing everyone else I'll point out that nothing posted by anyone other than me is to be taken as any official view from PDM.

You guys knock us for playing "rainbows" but if you are forced to grab outside your strat and run the numbers you'll see that playing a casher and buying Ag tech is cheaper than tearing down farms to rebuild them as EZ/Res. Considering most of our traders started as cashers but there weren't any large Casher traders they were forced to trade with farmers.

2 resets ago when I finished 4th with 95k acres I didn't start stocking until 1 week left in the reset. When you have tons of land your stocking time is greatly reduced.

Yes, I will confirm PP is currently in PDM. I have no personal issues with him and have gotten to know him via playing mafia. I don't believe I was around in his suiciding days and if I was then I wasn't aware.

I will also confirm that PP has expressed similar opinions on any discussion of "grey area" things like tech leeching, buyouts, etc. His and others' similar opinions are the reason we aren't making any organized efforts at any of these things.

I'll side with Silver with the idea that if you detag a member (for whatever reason) you probably should farm them to avoid other alliances taking the land. Personally I am in favor of killing any member that leaves the tag after mid-reset without joining another simply to avoid suiciders because of our situation last reset (which I paid compensation for personally). We haven't had the issue pop up since last reset but if one of our members (including PP) decided to detag and there was the risk they would suicide we would definitely kill them ourselves to avoid that risk.

Since some are turning this issue on PDM I feel that I should make an official comment on the matter.

This is an alliance server and while you can argue that some things are more or less "fair" than other things the truth is that as this being an alliance server they are all legitimate since everyone is actually capable of doing them. Each alliance sets their own ethics and can judge what they do and don't deem "fair".

Two examples from previous resets:

1) Last reset LaF FA'd one of their guys over Osso to take the #1 spot. Was that a fluff move? Yes. Was that still within the bounds of the game and considered fair? Yes. Personally I would consider both the LaF and Osso's countries as being great countries regardless of where either finished and I have no issues with it.

2) Three (I think 3?) resets ago when LCN blindsided us and after the war ended we did conduct an alliancewide oil buyout to put one of our guys up near the top (finished 11th) just to prove that we could still function as a cohesive team. It wasn't done expecting people to consider it a legitimate finish, it was done to prove the point that we weren't a dead alliance.

Now for the current issues being brought up in this thread:

1) I have no issue with RD dropping members to raise their ANW or just dropping inactives at the end of the reset. That is an alliance's choice and they are free to do it. If we were in a position to take ANW I would definitely give more consideration to dropping inactives / slightly actives to benefit our finish and I can't blame them for doing it.

2) PDM is not doing any type of organized tech buyout. There is only a single country buying tech and it isn't like it is being done in any type of organized fashion so it is EASILY screw-over-able to anyone that feels the urge. I would venture a guess that for every tech point that belonged to PDM that got bought there were AT LEAST 2 points belonging to other alliances bought as well.

3) To the issue of tech leeches and whatnot, that is part of alliance play and is completely acceptable IMO. If it was meant to be directed at PDM I will say that of the 10 or so techers we have there were only 3-4 that had any leeches at all and most of them only had 1-2 leeches and the other was a techer so maybe 6-8 leech spots total in a 55 member alliance isn't a big deal.

PM'd purp and was in IRC most of yesterday with no contact. Need one today please. I'll idle in irc and gtalk all day (purp has my gtalk info in pm)

Tisya is in Korea for ~3 more days for work I believe. Not sure if she will be on much.

I am off and on both IRC and gtalk if you can catch me.

I don't consider it too pressing of an issue so you can wait as well :)

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Eventually techers will be back. Land trading is MAYBE 60% of optimal right now. Most traders need more tech while trading and need a lot more tech to stockpile and need it earlier.

Had we not been suicided last reset PDM would have set NW records but now LaF will set them this reset with their traders. I actually think with the LG formulas the way they are that the max limit for legit NW is around $550M and no one will come close.

Tech is a MAJOR part of maxing trading, most haven't realized just how much it matters just yet. Give it a couple resets.

BAH! NO LIKE!

Sodawater was the only techer my size I could grab :(

I have to argue with Goku that PDM's forums are more active than LaF's.

http://www.boxcarhosting.com/...ation.php?clanID=Paradigm

A simpler solution that would solve your problem without adding any way to take advantage of it:

Currently the tech you get is the amount of tech your allies tech * 10%

Change that to the amount of tech your allies tech * 10% * % of your land that is labs

That would eliminate non-techers from leeching tech (since they don't have labs) but still forces your tech allies to tech in order to benefit you.

Xin: You make a valid point for solo servers but my point is that it could increase abuse in 1A.

If the allies did a tech start and got bus/res to 170% they could effectively keep exploring and building labs indefinitely. If they run short on cash, tech a turn. I am sure there are plenty of people in plenty of alliances that don't really care about their resets and would be willing to the explore / build labs thing. So while your techer stops at 20k acres and starts to stockpile your allies keep going to 30k acres increasing the TPT you get.

blid: Why would it matter if he allied real techers? He only benefits from their labs, not from their teching. A normal techer will stop growing and stockpile early (usually) while one of these explorers could just keep growing to help benefit the techer.

You guys are missing the MAJOR flaw in Xinhuan's suggestion. It could easily be used to massively abuse the system.

Lets say you have 1 techer who is teching and getting extra tech based on his allies TPT. Those allies could simple grab/explore and then build labs, they would never have to tech at all really.

That 1 techer would basically be getting huge amount of extra tech each time he techs a turn and his allies would just be growing and building more labs. Would be way worse than any problems leeching is causing right now.

Yes we have an entire forum devoted to roleplaying with Tisya in various roleplaying outfits, mostly fetish related.

I need to test a start up on a couple of countries and could really use some tag protection to avoid getting grabbed. I'm only planning on playing 1000 turns.

In exchange for the tag protection after I am done you can either farm the countries or I'll save up max turns and use them on a kill run.

I like Silver talking about multiple alliances. Don't like Silver not including PDM.

I will say Kangaruu's post was the most explanatory. So join PDM.

http://www.oldversion.com/windows/mirc/

They have all the old mIRC versions. I want to say 6.2 is preferred, its stable, still supported, and doesn't require you to register (I think). I am pretty sure it just prompts to register and you click cancel and its done, no force register.

Nukes are a better deterrent than they are a weapon (if you want to live anyway).

NK's rockets aren't capable of the guided flight necessary to hit a target like Tokyo. The only potential target they even stand a chance of hitting is Seoul. They also know that if they did that they would be conquered within days.

Their rockets are also large and slow moving. If they armed one with a nuclear warhead and launched it, it would be shot down before it got off the Korean peninsula. That's another reason Seoul is the only possible target.

If NK launches a nuke I think even China would be willing to back their invasion. Considering NK's terrible infrastructure, reliance on foreign raw materials, and oppressed populace an invasion into NK would be super easy. China likes having it as a buffer but they aren't about to support them in a military conflict with the west.

Burrito

I don't go for the lettuce or corn salsa so I feel a burrito is better than the bowl. I have started to ask them to mix it up before they wrap it to even out the flavors

To better explain it:

you start with 0 + 1 turn for every 20 minutes since the reset started up to your max turns.

If you log in 1 hour after the reset starts you start with 3 turns. If you log in a week after the reset starts you start with 120(120)

Req: A "topfeed" doesn't really exist anymore in the way it was thought of in the past. PDM had avoided having one at all because it couldn't be well defined. I added that part to make up for extreme cases.

Example:
A $12M NW dict with 10k acres grabs and no mil strat tech grabs a $10M NW tyranny with 25k acres and 130% mil strat, they will get ~2100 acres + ghosts.

That would be consider a major topfeed by any alliance that currently has a topfeed policy.

However if that $10M NW tyranny buys up to match NW more closely he can he can get ~2400 acres on the retal.

A topfeed can't simply be defined by % of land difference because the LG formula takes way more into account now than it did in the past.

Almost all grabs can be retalled in 2 PS retals or less and are fair game. Only the most extreme cases will require more than that and will usually force the retaller to buy an excessive amount of jets to retal and spend an excessive amount of turns. Our policy only applies to those extreme situations.

I hate the word topfeed now but that is the only word that applies where the meaning is somewhat understood

NewHorizon wants to be Tisya's AFA.

I gave them an ultimatum and it was not met so I'm posting their secret plans for server domination as retribution.

They are hording all of the EE playing women. They have 9.5 women in their alliance already! That is 8 more than PDM has and it completely unfair.

If they can't recruit all of EE's women then I know they will eventually just breed out every other alliance.

But he didn't make a coming out video

Surprisingly PDM didn't have any real leadership issues, our issues were with everyone getting complacent and low morale. I, along with other leaders, have been working hard to build that morale back up and get motivated again. This merger helped us bring in some active leaders to fill internal positions where we were a bit lacking, give us a new take on organization, and has motivated a lot of our leaders to kick it back into high gear.

Thomas as well as several former PDM members are back together with PDM now. We are glad to have them.

There is a pretty well defined leadership structure in PDM and as long as I remain in charge I can assure you the politics PDM has had for the past couple of peaceful resets won't be changing.

I guess I will have to work on that sex tape to avoid a major war though. Stay tuned. BTW, I won't allow ANY fluffing when I post a tape of my sexiness on here since you guys are demanding. Be careful what you wish for.

While I would like to use that same title to announce my future marriage to Tisya and the posting of our honeymoon sex tape, I am using it now to announce that starting next reset Paradigm and Sanctuary will be a merged alliance.

We have been interacting with each other for a long time via shared forum games and grew closer in the past couple of resets dealing with FA issues. We realized we have several similarities and shared a lot of the same goals so it was a natural match.

We will be keeping the Paradigm name and most of the current Paradigm policies. I will remain Director and Tisya will be the Head FA after the merge.

I am still trying to convince Tisya that we need to consummate the merge and post a honeymoon sex tape anyway. I'll keep everyone posted on the progress on that :)

This actually sounds like it would be fun/interesting for a bit. I think we could successfully implement it for at least 3 days before we get killed.

I'm 5'3" standing up....and laying down ;)

Thanks guys!

And yes, I was one of the founding 25 or so of PDM when we first broke off from PoW 12ish years ago. Retired around '04/'05 and came back a few sets ago. Filled in for Tisya when she was busy so some of the FA's know me. Have never been much for posting on AT at all.

I'll probably respond quickest to a PM on here but you can also PM me via Boxcar (Paradigm/Big_Ben), MSN & GTalk: , Skype: big_ben_pdm, and I usually don't frequent the EE irc channel but can if needed.

I'm on now. In IRC as well. Definitely need to talk though.

Anyone else having issues when attacking saying you don't have enough oil?

I am trying to send ~4.5M units and have ~280k barrels. Still says I don't have enough oil. Never had this issue before.

Just bought another 100k oil and nada

If you look at the news and then look at PDM's country list it is pretty obvious that we won't be able to retal everything that is due. However when our grabbers get their jet counts up we will retal RoR's by what they are due by PDM's policy.

However I will point out that PDM's policy on RoR's is actually less than that LaF's is (according to the wiki) but your guys will still lose out a lot if they keep RoR'ing.

While I don't like it I can't really blame LaF. The RoR's are kinda a fluff move but their top guys targetting PDM is to be expected. It isn't news that PDM runs landfat countries and LaF likes to use their superior netting ability to push themselves out of reach of retals. There was only 1 hit that the LaF'er tried to outrun after the fact. Most of the hits by their big guys came after they were already high in NW. In turn they yields were crappy in comparison to what we can get on retals.

I wasn't around prior to the wars so I don't know what went on back then. I should have planned for this and ran some big retallers early this reset but didn't think about it. Just have to adjust now and go with it.

Didn't add/change anything was purely a deletion of a part that was unneeded and that was never enforced by us or on us so it isn't really an issue.

Tisya, why were you looking for LaF in the bath? There should only be PDM'ers in the bath with you.