Yes, we know Gains. You and Gerdler cant heap enough praise on this totally organic and conveniently timed change to fundamentals of warfare. Im sure it came as much of a surprise to you guys as the rest of us. Its the bestest thing to happen since bots were first implemented, and land trading stopped being a thing.




Qzjul doesn't follow the politics and drama. He bought the "dwindling time" bait, and feels appreciated after constantly being dogged in the forums the last couple years.
He added more bots because netting clans have great difficulty in grabbing with high DR. If you have several members who consistently gain 500k+ acres, you either have to compete with other clans (Evo and Omega), or you add more bots. If I ran a netting clan, these are changes I would push for. The FA spy gimmick was a little blatant, which is why the rest of this happened in discord and email, rather than out in the open so the player base could provide input or, as we see, say no thanks, nice try.


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Its all going to plan. Well done.

QZ got BHoled!!!

LaF WINS!!

They WILL farm bots again!!

GG no re

Some player(s) in this thread offer other more perturbing behaviors. Equivocation, skullduggery, duplicity, dissimilation, bamboozlitry, flimflamery, hornswoggling, dissembling, subterfuge and narcissism.

BHole still wears a leash.

Looking for an update qzul.
Did you grant Gerdler his wish for this as well? Proxy warfare still a thing? Eventually LaF will war again when they have numbers and an ally....

James St James whose glamour includes a badge and gun(minus the manlet ginger part). Youre my disco Dougster. Happy pride month

Wholeheartedly disingenuous arguments, like every other progressive and politically, financially beneficial grift. Social restructuring, propaganda saturated, astroturfing, "forced down your throat", "bend over backwards", and so forth.
Major corporations bend over backwards to attract profit, investment, and access to broader markets, bonuses for government deregulation and oversight. Non profit executives (the ones getting most of the $) and their dark money investors need tax free money, signatures, banners and votes to get a return on said investment.
Blacks and females are the #1 consumers($). Look at the videos, photos of every major protest, news interview, social media, standing on corners screaming at passing cars. Notice a pattern? There were more white women at BLM protests than blacks. Women marching "immigrants welcome" banners, carrying signs and scolding. Crying brown babies at the border, on tv, in news stories of "Asylums". Shipping people from countries you invaded and bombed to fluff less than a decade ago, those same people pleged eternal revenge and call you Satan. You blew up their women and children and now you pay to bring them to YOUR homeland, expecting free $ is going to forgive you destroyed THEIR homeland? Thats some advanced placement calculus.
The point of which is; abusing black causes and harnessing female sympathy to struggle for "justice". Theres is a cause/effect mirrored by investment/profit. How much $ is donated to the thousands of grifting groups who claims their battles for racial,gender,immigrant, whatevers popular cause du jour? $$Billions$$. Did you get a cut of that for being gay this month?

Douglas, I have always enjoyed your input and positive attitude, especially when posting on the forums. Heres the "however"...
When you first arrived, you gave a pleasant hello, and welcome home. Nobody had anything cruel or threatening to say when you announced your homosexuality and how you at times struggled with your professional life in the early stages. Then upon seeing our welcoming and tolerance felt comfortable and safe.
From there you began posting, constant, graphic and sexual, clearly inappropriate comments, details nobody in any social setting would deem acceptable and consider you the "in your face" person. Which is why, after some chatroom convos, you decided to scale back to speaking in a normal less obscene style.
Are you noticing how this reference to you and your forum decorum mirrors the "Pride" title given to an activist/political/profitable agenda based on something "in the privacy of our bedroom"? Feeling shame is a clear sign of a weak person. Ive been called all sorts of things based on religion, social views, personal fashion, music, and on it goes. Do I overcome this shaming by throwing a Qur'an in your face? Do I put posters and flags of my favorite musicians in every school, office, federal building and city street? Can I cancel you for not wearing a Scissorfight pin on your name tag? No. I ignore detractors and live my life as I want, with pride. Affirmation can be given not forced. That is tyranny.



Drag Queen Storytime, rainbow painted crosswalks,state flags replaced, government covering buildings and workers with stickers, decorative ornaments, mandatory inclusivity training,pride marches in every city,tuck friendly swimsuits for children, "pride month" shopping displays in stores equal to major holidays (except black history month), ass kissing for donations, "parental rights", massive social shaming campaigns against any conservative who says "its a bit much", for an entire month , and buildup starts in May..... Not much I guess. Great point.

Every tag who participated in proxy warfare via sending FA to a tag involved in a war not declared against their own.

Lets say LaF was involved in a war vs clan A. Clan B, who is not active in attacks, nor have they declared war against LaF decides to send FA to clan A. Perhaps they are/were allies prior to the war against LaF. Clan B is normally a netting clan, so they do not want to fight directly but have an interest in seeing Clan A defeat LaF. Clan B declares publicly they are neutral, and so LaF has no reason to suspect them. The FA is sent and the fact is only known betwixt the players sending/receiving, perhaps leadership as well.
With the code modifications you are suggesting, Clan B would be exposed and could potentially face consequences. LaF would never know unless they employed spy ops, NW monitoring, violating pacts, and all of this during a war where every single turn, op and time watching NW counts against kill run hits.

Similar to posting an archive of all in-game messages. If some people want to share, they can, but exposing everyones correspondence for transparency regarding hate speech or inappropriate comments would be a weak argument, but a great boon for seeking out valuable intel.

Tldr
Once again, the only benefit is the clan warring knowing who, if anyone, might be aiding their opponent. Access to information known only to mods and development.

Nothing in my post suggested access to info during the round, this is post set stats. My point is your, or any other warring clan involved in multi set wars would never know if FA had been sent by outside clans leading to your clan suffering defeat, or simply prolonging your march to victory. This information would need to be verified during the round via methods described in an earlier post, or filter through everyones history to root out proxy participation in the post set stats, as you and others are demanding of development teams to alter the matrix in your or any suspecting clans favor. The only benefit this removal of optionality would be afforded to is warring clans who suspect proxy warfare but either cant prove or dont want to work for it. This transparency would essentially make covert proxy warfare impossible, at least the covert part anyway. And for LaF, thats a good thing.

Its more than lazy. It is not about transparency. It is framed as "and thats a good thing" for a reason.
In order to determine who gave your enemy FA/proxy war fuel, you would need to put mass effort by first guesstimating there was outside fa. Now you can spy op all pacts of every player in every team that was not your own. But here you would need to explain your actions to your targets. This would inevitably lead to aggressive response by independent clans who have no involvement. More common methods are, if you already have a suspicious clan, watch nw drops. The issue there, however, is you might be tracking legitimate market sales. So you are back to spending ops (eXtremely important during wars) to confirm what the "received" fa consists of, ie cash, food or military. Even with all these activities you may still ultimately fail in your efforts to determine who was aiding your enemies. Time, turns(critical), spy ops(critical), broken pacts or retaliation (critical). The information this "couple lines of code bru,you lazy devs.." provide would be a monumental advantage for clans who engage in proxy warfare and revealing information they would never gain without significant effort and resources, potentially violating pacts or creating new enemies. Please explain how the benefits to the player base would be met by saving a warring clan critical time and resources by coding a back door to fa transactions to betterment one clan over a coalition.

Tl*dr
"And thats a good thing" aka shenanigans to convince soft minds you arent acting on behalf of your own self interests at the detriment of others.

You made your choice. Consequences and all. La Familia is crushed and you cant start shenanigans after the fact. No, spying on who sends what fa isnt somehow beneficial to the player base. Should we start an irc war room archive or password exchange next? Oy vey, the chutzpah on this one...