Well, I can safely say he's not Paradigm, spying on us too 🤷‍♂️

Nothing to do with being afraid to say PDM, I've just always preferred saying Paradigm. call me old and cranky lol
PDM as an abbreviation goes way back to our founding.

Why should I pony up?
I like you, and you were a good member back in Paradigm in the day (yes, I remember you playing for Paradigm)
BUT. this mess is entirely of your own making man.
why would I aid you?

Also, I'm flattered that you think I need deposing.

as it stands, at this stage, you can't even hit my country, so enough with the kill threats eh?

you've done it enough times this set, you should know by now...
roughly turn 16 on a restart.

I play WoW on occasion, on a mini sabbatical ATM. (Cheers BG3) lol

"clown around"
Nah, this isn't clowning around.
You do it constantly and consistently.
a one off might be considered clowning around.
It's a consistent pattern for you.

Ditto the whole "beta" thing.

Clowning on the other hand, would be when I asked you about whether your "beta" comment was a fish, or furry thing.
Something that, the incredibly intelligent person that you are, completely missed the references to at the time.
And still probably don't get.


"Nobody cares about your various clan agreements"
Actually, we all do. They're one of the fundamental cores of the game.

You break pact with people, you get blatted.
You consistently threaten alliances more powerful than you, you get blatted.
It really, REALLY isn't rocket science.

In this case, you broke pact, you knowingly and deliberately aided the enemies of the people you declared peace with.
Whether it was your intent or not, SoL, and Stones in particular are justified in their killing you.

Now you're outright lying.
SoL and M4D being at war has been common knowledge for nearly 3 weeks.

By Josey's own words, you had a peace agreement with SoL.
You chose to then send aid, by your own admission, to M4D.
Who is actively at war with SoL.

There's no spinning this for you.
You violated your own peace agreement.

"We agreed to stop the war. And we did that. The other side didn’t."

So you don't think that actively aiding alliances at war with someone you agreed to stop a "war" with counts as continuing that war?

You also admit here that you aided M4D.

your own words stitch you up cath.

Once again, this.

It was also posted on 4chan.

As an aside, for the sheer number of different boards and topics that 4chan nominally covers, technically, they're even more niche than EE is, given our boards are basically for people who specifically play THIS game, and post in relation to this game for the most part.

That said, Advertising would do EE some wonders, and I think that a bigger issue is simply that EE is not really "out there" for the wider public per se.

"22 million visitors per month"
or you know, it's merely the same few people posting over and over. And even if it WAS 22 million different people, that's not even the population of texas, let alone when you consider population numbers globally. it's a piss in the pacific.

As for the bit about federal crimes:
Brenton Tarrant and his manifesto right before the christchurch attacks puts the lie to that claim.

You own up to your own mistakes and apologise you say, blackhole?
I'm still waiting for a couple:
First:
"Apr 22nd 2024, 14:04:47
Last time you didn't argue with this fool, Leto - the entire server witnessed me prove that Milkman and his entourage were cheating, and that you were informed of this days prior and elected to cover for him, rather than address the rampant cheating in PDM and Light.


I don't think I look like the fool. "

So uhh, you still owe us an apology for claiming that there was "rampant cheating within Paradigm"
There wasn't, and isn't.


"So Leto recruited drow to his server bullying efforts, and now they are seeking to trash doug?


This is all very weird. "

I'll take a second apology for this one.

lastly, I'll take a third apology for this one:
"That's my understanding of the situation so far. Leto used to be in Paradigm (last set). He left and took half of Paradigm with him and started M4D. Then the rest of Paradigm 'wanted to play a specific way' according to some. And that specific way, I believe, is also warring/bullying smaller alliances. So they kick out Doug and any of Doug's friends that didn't want to war alongside M4D, and have now started their own thing, as a sister alliance to M4D.





I could be wrong about some specific details, but this is the gist of it all, right? M4D/Paradigm are sister alliances, that all played together last set, and Josey and the Suiciders are their best buds. All three intend to attack and kill anyone on the server that is smaller than them."


Actually, you owe me two apologies here.

one for the false allegations about my intentions for Paradigm for a second time, and a second one for the accusations of allying with Josey, doubly so given I have repeatedly called him and Cath out.
Hell, I've even AGREED with you on something in the process.

So here's your chance to demonstrate that you apologise when you get things wrong...

translation of cath's latest post:
"It's all the mods' fault people don't check the AT boards"

" We have agreements with Mercs, Sol, & Sof, but not with anyone else. "

You made peace treaties with those alliances, by Josey's own words.
By ANY standard, providing aid to an enemy of those alliances (in this case M4D and SoL specifically, to make it crystal clear for you) is a breach of a peace treaty, because you are providing aid and provenance to their enemies.

Josey professed peace agreements. He then had your countries pact those countries enemies. Did you contact SoL in any way, shape or form to explain, in advance to them, why you would be potentially supplying FA to them?

and then, the first thing you do is accuse everyone else of "lying"
Spyops don't lie. If someone has the hard op of your countries being pacted to M4D countries, that's fact.
By the looks of it, it seems that op information might have been posted here to confirm it too, and then amended by the mods, OR by the OP.

This literally isn't mocking you, it's genuine questions.

for someone so determined to scream and yell about how they are more intelligent than anyone else in the game, you really do choose to do the stupidest things.



Now, on to your not hating women comment.
You choose to attempt to belittle people by comparing them to women, you choose to belittle things you don't like as being feminine.
That is a straight up demonstration that you believe women to be inferior, and that you lack any respect for women whatsoever.
You got a LOT of maturing and growing up to do.
You made claims in the past about quote "realising what a PoS you are", and yet, you really haven't done anything at all to change that behaviour.
Instead, you go out of your way to exude a victim complex, claim everyone is out to get you, we're all just bullying you, you're smarter than all of us, etc etc.
You make claims about "winning in primary" as your reasoning for that.

You also make claims of having "been tested"
being tested means Sweet. fluff. All.
it's a demonstration of capacity for learning, and the POTENTIAL you may or may not have.
If you don't actually use that, it's meaningless.

You make all these grandiiose claims and excuses about why everyone is out to get you, and never considered that maybe, just maybe, it's your own offputting, self aggrandising behaviour and arrogance that does it.

when it's literally everyone else saying YOU are the poor person, maybe, just MAYBE, it's time to consider that maybe it IS you.

Dude, you yourself professsed peace treaties with those alliances.
If you're then trade pacting countries they are at war with, without damn good cause (such as reparations for example), then yeah, by extension, you're violating those very treaties you agreed to.
Ya can't have it both ways man.

and again, this.

I have wondered about Cath's hate for women, given his constant equating anything at all he doesn't like with being "feminine".

I......
Holy fluff, do I actually agree with BlackHole on something here?

This.

Clans by TNW:
1. Paradigm - 718 mil
2. Evo - 467 mil
11. JWalesco - 60 mil

Clans by ANW:
1. Evo - 46.8 mil
2. Paradigm - 38.5 mil
10. JWalesco - 5 mil



Yep, worst clan ever.

Nah, you're just doing your utmost to try and paint me as a warmonger, out to start stuff lol
Trust me, if I was going to start something, I'd simply do it.

here we go again.
people don't like you because YOU are an egotistical ass.
its because of how you carry on about how you're smarter than everyone else, turn up in everyone elses threads attempting to derail them and make it all about you.
It's got nothing to do with what your religious beliefs are (which YOU just brought up here to be clear), and everything to do with you having rampant ego issues.

What partner coalie?
I spoke to DD, and as soon as I found out he was out fighting fires, I stopped, and immediately apologised for bothering him
I did NOT push him around. Stop talking out of your arse.
Btw, if I was going to push someone around, it would go more along the lines of
"Pull a stunt like that again, don't bother pacting us ever again"
I haven't said that at any point.
I told you before, I deal squarely.

If anything, this seems so far like a blatant attempt by you to publicly push Paradigm around, with the thinly veiled threats and poorly spun accusations.

For someone who "doesn't want to start anything, you're certainly doing a damn good job of pushing it.
Understand me clearly.
I like you.
I am aiming to keep Paradigm as neutral as possible.
That doesn't mean you can attempt to push us around.
That includes attempting to tell me when I can and can't say something, in private, to a fellow alliance leader (an alliance you're not even currently in I might add, by your own admission) in regards to something that is absolutely terrible looking.
I've had you threaten me with war over tAN, I've had you attempt to dictate to me who Paradigm can and can't be friends with, and now because I approached DD in private about something, which I have defended publicly as well, and which, when you're called out about bullfluffting and claiming I called DD fluffty, you threaten me over again.
Stop. plain and simple.



"a lot of people within pdm" talk to you do they?
lol
righto mate.

Now please. Stop prodding me.

Coalie.
That is NOT what I said to DD at all.
You know it, and I know it.

In fact, let me quote EXACTLY what I said to DD about it.

"Drowakm — 05/20/2024 7:56 AM
Hey man, you just had a bunch of your guys tag sol?

Drowakm — 05/20/2024 9:33 AM
Well, given M4D just FS'd sol, I guess it doesn't matter now 😛
Not great optics for mercs, it could be seen as deliberate pact avoidance is all.

Drowakm — 05/20/2024 9:36 AM
I am PDM.
Just making observations in general.
I know if it happened to us, that an alliance I was pacted to had a bunch of members jump to a tag I had a fair idea was prepping to hit me, that I'd be seriously unimpressed too. "

Tell me where there, I said he was fluffty?
In fact, the only point in the entire conversation, where I used the word "fluff" at all, was the following, when I apologised got bugging him because he was out fighting fires, as below:
"Drowakm — 05/20/2024 10:14 AM
fluff, stay safe man, didn't realise.
I'm so sorry for disturbing you with secondary stuff :)"

There is NO attempt to bully DD there, or none intended. merely an attempt to express diplomatically, that it's not a cool move.

I'm not asking you to apologise hun. Personally, I agree with that decision.
I'm not a fan of TC either.

Short form:
Come on Blackhole, you can troll better than this, you and I both know it.
0/10 effort on this one.

Warned by no one?
Jouster specifically put it in writing, on AT, that they were going to fluff you up this set, before the set even started. I've linked to it previously. Are you really claiming you have that short a memory?
And by "Running your mouth", I mean specifically that you accused the entirety of M4D of cheating over the actions of ONE player in Teams, not in Alliance, and for which he was removed from Paradigm in alliance for regardless.


You just made claims about people planning to hit Paradigm. let me quote you:
"I care because I'm aware of several conversations that have taken place with regards to PDM and their support for M4D. In particular, next set.

I care because I think PDM is an excellent alliance that Drow has inherited leadership of, and the value of them to this community is overlooked. PDM continuing to be apolitical is valuable because I think people need a place they can go net without fear of getting dragged into a war.

That seems to be in jeopardy, based on what I've been seeing. "

You're telling me that's not a claim about people planning to hit us?

You ask why I'm "speaking up for M4D". Why are you speaking up for Mercs?

Further, how is my calling out the spin that you're putting out any different from my speaking up for mercs and calling out the spin that cathankins and josey tried putting out about mercs, and later evo?

If anything, it demonstrates 100% consistency on my behalf.

You also just directly contradicted yourself with your responses in points #4 and #6.
Firstly you say that Paradigm is not a part of M4D, then claim in #6 that we ARE a part. make your mind up.

You're getting back off the rails again.


Lastly, Aphro's posts and WeeZy's post somewhat seem to contradict each other, at least to me.
Aphro's does however, confirm what I had heard previously in terms of SoL refused to pact specifically because of TC, which is ABSOLUTELY their right, and TBH, I agree with.
I'm not a TC fan either.

UPDATE:

M4D: 6,354 hits, 18 kills, 353 HPK

SoL: 11,059 hits, 38 kills, 291 HPK, 3792 defends, 6 deaths, 632 HPD
Stones: 2145 hits, 3 kills, 715 HPK, 2562 defends, 12 deaths, 214 HPD

Combined: 13,204 hits, 41 kills, 322 HPK

As for your comments about wishing Leto had won:
Yeah, I wish that they had a better showing than they did.
It is what it is though.

Personally, I'd have done two major things differently.

1. I would have allowed SoL to have the FS, and simply made sure I had as many people online as possible when they launched the FS, in an attempt to wall and mitigate damage.
(even knowing that Stones was likely to join in regardless of who launched the FS, and leaving me outnumbered)

2. I absolutely wouldn't have launched an AB FS.

And you were doing SO well for a second there.
Now again, with the false claims and allegations against me personally, for the second time this set.
Remember when you were claiming that I was "definitely planning to join M4D" in farming people this set?
How did that play out?

as for your other comments.

1. No, I am not preparing Paradigm for war. Should I be expecting people to break pact and attack us?

2. M4D were not war prepping from the outset, half their players barely even remembered how to play. (but don't let the truth get in the way of a good story, you gotta play up the "sol are the victims in all this" card) They also weren't actively preparing to war, but good try.


3. Yes, you were warned prior to set that you specifically were going to get wrecked because of your running your mouth that M4D were all actively cheating, what did you expect? That they'd pretend nothing happened?

4. M4D were planning to play the way earth used to be played. Where alliances DIDN'T pact everyone out and just hit bots (because bots didn't exist in the first place). It means land grabs, and hoping that the expected retal/s didn't come out to more than your initial hit, or that even better, the retal bounced.

5. Maybe, just maybe, some of the paranoia on that side of the fence needs to settle a little.

6. It has something to do with my alliance. If someone is willing to do something like that to one alliance what's to stop them from doing it to others?
It's the same reason I have been working on rebuilding Paradigm's rep after the mess of last set.
We suffered so much reputation damage out of that, that I had to actively reassure people with our tag and leadership change that we were not looking to avoid pacts, and even then, it was still believed that we would breach/void pacts, to the point that there was a plan waiting and ready to go to hit us "when" we did. (note, when, not if)

7. I'm not blaming Mercs or DD for anything. I brought it up to DD that it was, and I will quote my own message to DD here "bad optics for mercs because it could be seen as pact avoidance". That's not bullying, it's not trying to accuse, or anything else, it's straight honesty. They signed a pact, then half their tag tag jumped to SoL.


Then of course, everyone was surprised because *gasp* I actually believe in honouring pacts to both the spirit and the letter of the pact.
Anyone who knows me at all would have known that honouring our pacts is EXACTLY what I would do.

With that, and with the greatest respect, you can take your attempts to besmirch me, your attempts to make false claims about mine and my alliances intentions, and bash them right up your arse. Sideways sir.

just ignore the alts as they come.
I'm also pro an ignore button

If people decide to FS Paradigm because *I* directly spoke to a fellow alliance leader about something that could be seen badly by all other alliance leaders, that's on them, not me.

I am curious though. I spoke up about it to DD directly, because I didn't want to make a massive fuss out of things by posting on AT directly. Would we rather that we just make a giant circus from the outset in future?

Every set, it seems that "paradigm is going to get hit".

I'm sorry I won't back down from my stance on behaviour being fluffty because you're going to try and vaguely threaten me.

Yes, I intend for Paradigm to be a Switzerland of the server, staying out of things where possible.
But, I'll also speak up where I believe it's warranted, without fear or favour.

Once again, I did NOT attempt to bully DD.
I messaged him because I believe it's a bad look for Mercs to have people tag hop specifically for an FS SoL were preppping for.


In terms of not trying to start a fight, I'm not convinced. I've told you repeatedly that I wasn't trying to bully anyone, and I immediately apologised to DD upon learning he'd been away fighting fires.

Right now you're definitely prodding.
BH is as well, but i kinda expect that.

If I was attempting to bully, I'd have simply told you straight up to not bother asking for a pact from us next set.
I believe talking to someone directly about something is the better option, so that's what I did.

This

Fair enough. I was told they approached you at start of set.

If someone will do it to one alliance, whats to stop them doing it to others?
It's a bad look, and that's exactly what I said.
Hell, I'll even make the screen grabs public, I have nothing to hide.
I've stated my stance repeatedly publicly on AT as well.

I'm still looking for that ignore button!!

You have a combover? I totally couldn't tell!
it is so gloriously subtle!

Nah, self aggrandising egotist

you're moving the goalposts subtly there BH. I'll give you credit for that attempt.

Coalie asked, as per the quote, "Why would I be pissed?"
I spelled it out quite clearly.

in terms of whether I actively AM pissed at present, no, I am quite chill.

As for my speaking up, I have been consistent in that.
No different to calling out Cathankins and Josey's stuff, including their playing victim last set, and then their complaining this set when they got belted for suiciding evo.
I distinctly don't recall hearing you question why I cared about that though, funnily enough.

Cath is superior to everyone.
He cannot help himself.
Only getting rank #1 on any server other than primary counts as an achievement for anything, because only the most intelligent people can do it.
Everyone else is just a moron.


Cath: I am curious, who would I need to humble myself?
I don't make claims about my superiority to everyone else.
I KNOW I'm not the best netter in the game, and probably never will be, and that's fine. The only person I am competing against, is myself. I'll take moving up the rankings as a good goalpost as to how well I am doing at that.

I play, and deal, as squarely as I possibly can with everyone.

And yes, I freely call people out on bullfluff.
And that's what rankles you. Your self driven superiority complex leaves you unable to contemplate that other people might actually have a valid point, or may have knowledge and experience you simply don't, or see to the heart of tyhe situation in a way you don't like.

Cath is an egotist. It needs to be all about him, and this thread isn't, so he seethes and can't cope.

Ignore button?

If you mean me, my best finish is 28th. So far.

Sorry, I stand slightly corrected. Sphinx didn't quite make 900 mil.
Syzygy: 1,060,705,862
Sphinx: 878,740,159

You're missing at least two names from that list.
Syzygy broke 1 bil last set, and Sphinx broke 900 mil.

It's been mentioned by SJ at least, and I believe other M4D leadership publicly that they attempted to pact SoL at the start of the set, and SoL people have mentioned that they weren't going to pact M4D because TC is there. (If my memory serves me correctly)



I've broken down very clearly why I would be pissed.
It's bad faith pacting, plain and simple.
Further, if I pact someone, I try to act with the spirit of the pact in mind, not just the letter.

Again, when we tag shifted, I made sure to reach out immediately to keep people informed.

When I was asked by M4D to police, I also reached out to SoL to offer to police for them too.

We have stayed completely out of the fight, because we were pacted to all sides, because that's the simple respect of honouring pacts. Even with your offer to "overlook" any countries who wanted to tag jump into M4D.

Not because some of us didn't want to, but because we respect our pacted allies more than that.

I've also told you very clearly that what my personal opinions are, and what my policy for my alliance is, are two different things, and I have acted with the best interest of Paradigm in mind consistently regardless of my own personal opinions.

Now, for someone who has specifically said he to hear me speak my mind, you seem to suddenly be unhappy that I am doing so.

As I said, I like you, but I'm not afraid to speak up.

I said I was making a point of dealing squarely, this is a part of it, warts and all.