Think of it like the market, land traders = less bottomfeeders

Less competition for targets = higher networth finish for bottomfeeders as their targets are nicer.

Why this game should be about exploring or raping little girls?

Land trading can easily be nerfed by increasing Ghost Acres DR to 48 hours periods instead of 24 hours, that will force people to look for several targets and not just stick with one of them.

Lol!!!

Probably fairest war of the set if it happens, a FS that only denies the other side of their missile stock while leaving the countries untouched, got to tip my hat to PDM.

If only other alliances did stuff like this wars would be fairer ;)


And is indeed a very interesting strategy, I can already see some application :)

The walking dead sucks and is quite predictable...

Now Archer that is something worth your time

None, placed my bets weeks ago, and I hardly ever lose a bet.

Again RD won without trading as well, at least without super organized one, yeah 2 of their countries did some trading, but most of RD achieved a good networth and managed to obtain victory, not to mention one of the traders was killed by a KSFer so you can only count one of them.

RD is looking like a solid clan for average net, they are still too small for anything else, but shame on you all for diminishing their efforts!!!!

Where were you when Oden was getting fed acres like a baby? Why not be offended at that? But be offended at the reality that for better or worse RD are decent.

Aren't Pakistan and India both considered part of the far east?

They are both part of the Asian part of the map in my silly atlas.

So the well defended country takes more risk than the one that has low defence?

Flawless logic is flawless.

Under certain circumstances I would agree with you, but pretty much everyone in PDM is saying that the countries that are land trading are not protected in bunkers, they are saying that all clans that have a grabbing pacts with PDM can hit their traders without causing an out roar, so the core of the problem lies in another place.

I traded in TKO in FFA and saw that trading takes effort and careful calculation to make it work well, and then I saw all that effort wasted in a "grab all you can and then delete run".

Again I don't support the you hit me, I hit you runs, those suck and are in complete opposition of all clans retal policies, countries that act in such a manner should be grabbed and denied L:L retals, but also I think is fluff talk that you come forward full of stupidity and ignorance and claim that they created 6000 acres at no cost.

There is no risk for land trading? Lol

Hanlong pro tip:

What do you think is more costly? Having enough Tanks/turrets to avoid hits of countries that are 10 times more smaller than you and having maxed SDI, or hits that HAVE to bypass your defences to work, that means that for every 2800 ghost acres that you get, you have to rebuild 7000 buildings.

Go and run your numbers because the cash and turns needed are obscene and well over the billions, if you factor in douche hits the risk is even greater because your capabilities to defend yourself are diminished by the fact that you spent most of your cash rebuilding.

Bottomfeeding factors "luck" not risk, because if you do it right you hardly get hit, a stray missile may get in once in a bluemoon but usually that won't happen, not to mention that is public knowledge a few untaggeds are actually multies, but that is another thing.

Hanlong if you want to feel how ridiculous are the building cost, go to your building page, pick the cost per building and multiply it for 10000 acres, THAT is the cost of 3000 acres, and let's not factor the CS/military/Oil lost, and with that clearly you will see why bottomfeeding will always be stronger as long as there are enough good targets and you play smart you will always be ahead, if sets where much longer then yeah land trading would be much stronger because the gains get progressively better while bottomfeeding isn't (well I guess if your country is 10 times bigger than what most clans can muster then you would probably be able to bottomfeed small clans like ICN, but that is another thing.

Land trading isn't as easy as you want to make it to be, bottomfeeding is much easier and less costly, is just that there are not enough targets for everyone.

Wrong they did it without trading, that was fair and square netting.

And 72 hours is stupid, most alliances have a limit of 48 hours on retals windows and if someone raped me in the retal I will for sure hit them again as soon as the retal policy allows me (again most at 48 hours) and not be as cordial with the hit (get more defense or stock hunt), also the limit of countries in this server makes it hard to find suitable targets, and as someone else said, if I am doing the hitting then I must hit someone fatter than me, and if only one country fits that criteria then we will be exchanging hits.

Is not my fault others refuse to hit me, I go after the best target I can find, if that ends being the same guy, then he will either kill me for hitting him too much, or he will be fine with it and we both will get fat.

I don't have to hit fluff targets with less land than me and get super raped in the retals just because a stupid idiot finds it cool.

Going by past history, I would say PDM has no reason to back off a war if they get called in, they threw away the set they had the best chance to get several Top 10, so going by that having them as FDP sounds like a good idea.

SoF on the other hand is always the one doing the attacking, so having a FDP with SoF is pointless unless is one of those super obvious coalition wars.

I believe the best alliance to have as a FDP in this game is LCN, they don't scheme, and they will help you if they can, PDM seems like a close second place, but their ability to war is "average".

I think someone said that as long as the retal policies are respected during trading nothing wrong is being made, and I agree, however, if you can't even respect your own rules when trading, then you can't be granted with L:L policies.

Jesst want the farming to stop this set?

Convince the meanest looking tyranny/techers in a couple of alliances to tag up as a muppet till the last 5 days of the set, if you manage to get 5 of them no one will even dare to make a single landgrab.

Another thing that helps is making public your Retal policy (easiest thing you can do is to adopt the policy that most clans enforce and you should be fine)

But honestly just take a search in boxcar and look for tyranny/techers (tyrants with less than average land usually are) and promise them some candy :)

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Back to topic


Tier 1
LaF
SoL
MD (depends of war results)

Tier 2
LCN
SOF
EVO
PDM
RIVAL

Special Mentions:

RD

LOL?

Is much better to war and win, than to net and get RAPED (losing members, etc)

LaF did everything right, if they can't ensure all the treats are under control, then they shouldn't net and hope for the treats to ignore them, that is a 3 tier alliance strategy, you can't hope to be lucky and be left alone, not when you are LaF one of the Top Dog of the alliance server.

Is funny how this situation played out, because looking at the results:

LaF lost an important ally, and political ground with some allies
MD lost a war, political ground, etc

and everyone else on the netting side of the force is confused as to who they should follow/help/stick... and here enters SoL that after winning their arranged war (placed my bets days ago) looks stronger than ever (specially if they keep their numbers).

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't a miscomunication/evo threating to drop the pact with LaF that caused the first war, I remember we all were confused about who dropped what and when...

And the second time was because LaF knew about the shemes and said fluff it...

There is skype for evil mettings... Just ask any evil 2 bits corporation and they will tell you they use skype.

Daggaspins.org

Ugh...

Getting hammered while posting is a bad idea, I'll go back to drinking my rum to forget my sorrows, anyways good luck to both sides.

Could be a hoax to protect the birdy :P

If he really got them haxing then it was in his best interest to make it look like someone dropped the ball, if someone told LaF about this then it is in the best interest of LaF to cover that someone :D

Also seems like a couple of people besides arsenal, kj and Makinso knew about this, so isn't easy to single out those that had logs (KJ complaining about boxcar hax implies that someone used the forum PMs to pass the logs around) and consider each and everyone of them a LaF lapdog :D

And this is why I respect LaF, I dislike their methods, but got to respect the bastards.

All of you claiming that LaF doesn't fight even/balanced wars is a moron, why should they? The only ones that prefer even wars are the ones that like to war, LaF are netters, they take no pleasure in killing our fluffty countries, if they don't enjoy wars, then they better be sure to win 100% of them in such a manner that people will leave them alone to do their thing.

By definition, if you are fighting an even war then you are an idiot, only strike if you are 200% sure of your victory, and if 200% is impossible, then ploy and use your wits to make it possible.

Wait don't strir fluff...

Now are we going to turn into bitter people that blame whole alliances for the actions a member/leader took while playing untagged?

Because if you raise this point Evo/LaF fluff will start...

I felt the frustration of getting killed for no reason, but suiciding PDM was a mistake, team server problems got thrown to the wrong people, TSO isn't a collection of alliance players, is a collection of the war hungry players of this game, just check the list of players and leaders.

They have fun warring and killing, is a shame they had to ruin our fun in team server to have their own, but I won't be a hypocrite, if anything this situation in team server shows they need their own place/server to war with eachother.

So I support detmer idea of making a new server to give a home to all the war crazed players of this game, but I don't support team server closing.

Probably they won't..... Stop...

I think you got it wrong.

Remember Pang and Qz have a rule "hands off of personal situations"
Just like Pang can't ban people that insult him (he waits until martian does it), getting suicided by Team players pretty much tied his hands regarding this server, even if he wanted to close it, now he can't because that would break one of the rules both Qz and him follow.

So if you want the server closed, or changes to the server mechanics, better start to ask Qzgul, because pang can no longer do it without looking biased for a side or the other.

Anti break

Sweet
Let me test it right away.

And turns out my country is dead...

Oh well I go and play express instead

Wtf is this I don't even...

They didn't have GPS, so following you was their best chance :P

Is common mob mentality

Is this an adverticing campaign for the bermuda triangle gay bar in downtown Miami?

Hmmm me?


I said what I think about religion didn't meant it as an insult :P

Religion is the failsafe of lesser minds that can't honesly handle the world, religion makes your life easier it gives the hardest questions a vague answer and allows you to simply accept situations that would break your mind otherwise.

Is easier to think that a higher being has a plan for all of us than to accept that we are on our own, is easier to think that our lives have a higher purpose and that there is some kind of reward/punishment in the end, rather than life having no higher purpose and no reward/punishment.

I believe in a higher being that is solely watching everything I do to his amusement, the god of my world is myself and my will, the only will that matters to me is my own and the sole entity responsible of my actions is myself, is my duty to extend the time of my tool and to fail means to be cast to the void of inexistence.

And blah blah blah

Like in tourney make everyone start in GDI with NO cost.
And also change the rules of it, so you will only be protected from special attacks if you have not made a single hit on a country, as soon as you Land Grab a country GDI no longer protects you from that country.

Getting free land is skill?

Even land trading requires a ton more skill than that.


I find it funny that you all think DR camping, having untagged "friends" feed you land and tech leeches are skill based, yet the calculations of constant destruction of buildings/CS and the massive expenses of rebuilding the land just to lose it again isn't.

only way you can say you are skilled is if you finish +180m networth with an all explore country with no leeches and no such a thing as retals.

End of set, and seems like MD was all talk

Finishers are still finishers and turns are still turns, and you can't deny that 35vs46+imag was super unfair, if imag had agreed to the CF then yeah, why not...


As long as a side has enough breakers/midbreakers networth advantage is meaninless.

Anyways, I never said EVO sucks, just that you should understand that pushing Rival to war when they were still in "theorical" hostilities wasn't nice.

I can see both sides arguing and this is what I see:


Rival has a point, EVO were being asses to them, trying to force them to FS EVO with would have been a nice almost even war (in favor of EVO) the problem is that imag refused to CF with Rival, even if Rival had the FS, they where SURE to lose, we can argue that imag was dead, but their members post a lot in AT, so to me is clear they weren't dead at all.

Rival vs EVO + 50% of imag is super unfair, let alone imag at 100%.

So claiming EVO was pushing for an even war is a false statement because it wasn't going to be even at all.

Now Rival asking LaF for help was beyond overkill, MD? Overkill, only way it was going to be semi even was to ask Monsters/Rage or SoF, and if neither of those are Rival FDP's then forget about it.

On the other hand we have LaF, can you honestly say any war with LaF this set was going to be even?

Only a 1 vs 2 was going to be semi even, and only if the 2 were part of the top 10 alliances (member wise)

Maybe if LaF had FSed Sol+KSF+Rage?
Or SoL+PDM; but that would have been fluff because LaF had no reasons to FS anybody but SoL, as everyone else that is in their public enemy list was already warring (maybe SoL+TIE? Nah still not enough).


Also I can also see the point of the LaF/SoF side about last set when they say their enemies made the war unfair first, they had to be the bigger man (being the aggressors) and call just enough to make it even, but it was their call and they went with the roll stomp, can't really blame them for that as I would had done the same.

Thanks!!!

I got mixed feelings about using google to search for proxies

Is not like I plan to use them in the game, and like you said there should be a fair number of people with knowledge of them.

With tighter internet laws in the horizon, I just want to have options in case some sites that I frecuent change policies and block all members of certain countries (one did just that)...

How do I get some?

I was members of certain pages, that would sent me hundreds of proxy links every week back when I was in college and getting "free books" donated to me by the net, was great for my limited pockets.

So how can I find more now that I am old and technologically behind the times?

And I won't threat them differently because of that.

And tell us why you think they are alike.


LaF = USA

Loved by some, hated by many and labeled as royal arrogants, they are also similar in the way they do politics (if you play ball everything is good) a powerhouse netting, a power house warring and masters of getting their way with politics.

MD = UK

They have their military and know how to use it, have not been part of a 1 on 1 war since forever and their queen is little more than a political symbol, is a party pal of the US.

LCN = Canada

They have done great things in each war they have been part, but for some reason everyone remembers them for their mapple cyrup and not for their bravery in battle.

(cyrup = ZEN).

SoF = France

They have an history of war battle and bloodshed, however, that seems like history far gone, they still have a good amount of nukes laying around, but that means they can only win if the First strike decimates their opponent.

RD = Germany

The very definition of evil, or at least that was the case in the past, now they are a shadow of what they used to be and they like it, is the very definition of a reformed convict.


I'll continue later...

CD/demo/Bomb airbases are good
Destroy buildings op is only harmful if you use them with ABs.

Everything else just suck.

I think all destroy X resource ops should become steal X resource, destroying none of it and taking a good chunk out of them, if that was the case then spy ops would be useful even with the current Spy DR.

Stealing oil stocks, cash stocks, etc... And the one that kills spies is utter fluff, change it to "remove detection threat": a spy op that reduces spy DR in 3 everytime it is successful :D

Good enough.

Seems like I was getting pissed over nothing, but after last set shenanigans and this... Well KSF isn't high in my list.

Not like they have to care, and probably don't.

I would need to check the news again, but I would swear that you started that mess, but if I am wrong my apologies.

Also I give 2 fluffs if you let KSF farm you, what I don't like is that you choose to retal others while KSF gets scotch free (is that spelled right?), but I don't care about that because is your personal choice and if someone was tard enough to hit an untagged that can retal them, then they deserve the retal.

Now what would piss me off is if you hit me unprovoked and KSF just hits you, THAT would be a huge problem, I don't care if an alliance mate farmed your ass and you can't hit him and you decide to vent on me, if that happens I am holding KSF accountable, because is clear that you aren't a simple untagged with no clear affiliation, you are a member of KSF as far as I know; delete your country or suicide on them otherwise you are tagged KSF to me.

*meaning that I will respect your tag and will hold KSF responsible for your actions, that's all and good luck with your real life.

My only problem with #227 is that is pretty clear he is letting KSF farm him without repercussions while he "retals" anyone else (missiles on LaF), I just say that if that country hits me unprovoked and KSF hits him even once after that, I will consider that two stepping and retal KSF 2:1.

Is the only fair thing.

My bad!!! Is not like I was trying to get both sides to war in a last dich attempt to get my fluff sold, but sadly they came back unsold, so I have to resort to the black market or lose turns while waiting them to sell.

Aw fluff!!!

I wonder who will be the first to try to do that ;)

And you fail for your WWII comment.


The nuclear booms were neither an act of mercy nor cruelty, no one had an idea of what nuclear weapons could do, they had the theory, but that hardly gets the point across.

its because everyone saw the effects it had on human beings that radiation became taboo and no one wants to be close to that fluff, would you be scared if they told you what radiation/nuclear explosions could do with a white board and a nerdy guy giving a lecture? Or they showing pictures/videos of the explosion and the mutants/cancer/slow painful deaths of those affected by it? The only reason the cold war never got to that point is because everyone involved knew what was going to happen; I am actually grateful to the Japanese/North Americans, because the drop of those silly imperfect booms saved the world of their much larger and powerful children.