I guess that says a lot about your ally mdevol?

On the point of logs, you can argue those should remain secret....but that doesn't answer for everything else (and sometimes Sov does ask for logs....but they magically never appear). However, I have seen more than enough arguments between Sov and his 'fan club' to know how their arguments will end.

Anti-Sov: "SoF and/or Sov are liars because ______"

Sov: *posts long message detailing his and SoF's position and ask for any factual logs, links, etc. to be produced*

Anti-Sov: "Well....Sov just lies to AT. Good thing his members believe it."

SoF tried to rebuild SoL recently so your contention that SoF is using 'attrition tactics' is false.

dirty lol

Yes, I'm sure that is the case.

i wonder if he will own up to it...

as much as Sov is attacked for (allegedly) lying, spinning, etc. I've never seen him shut down once the facts/logs/etc. are laid down. Usually his detractors will drop their points or vanish. This has happened twice in the current thread.

You conveniently left off the rest of my post. Does Peyton block for himself?

I don't put this on Peyton. He had a great game statwise.

He can't block for himself, run the football by himself, throw and SECURE the ball to himself, cover kickoffs by himself, or play defense by himself.

I enjoyed watching him lose....not because I don't like him but I am tired of all of the hype.

Nice postings by aponic.

uh wut

ford sux

Re: payment concerns

You don't need to fork over any information.

All you gotta do is setup a recurring paypal account and it's done.

I agree!

LMAO all three RD members in SoF woo

Haha Ikr.

He also says SoF isn't doing so fine. SoF hasn't experienced any noticeable member loss, outside of the usual shuffle, over the past three sets. we don't expect any change next set

heh not to mention if you have had a hand in the server politics you are just culpable

oh noes not my secret identity!!!!

And OMG NOT A STATE OF THE SERVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
SoF should surrender.

blah blah blah we'll be impressed when you beat us 1v1 or near enough. As of right now, given this set and last and your pride(lol), we are amused.

ROFL.
My third paragraph in my most recent post is a suitable response to what you posted.

You are shifting the argument.

"Like LaF didn't bail you out literally every set since December of last year."

Is not the same as:

"LaF directly influenced your wars "

In the first statement, you are implying SoF bite off more than they can chew (specifically as aggressors). That has never been the case.

In the second statement, you are merely pointing out that LaF has been good allies. That's not groundbreaking or anything to be ashamed of. It's not something anyone, including myself would argue.

Perhaps you meant the second when you said the first but your rhetoric matches the spin on AT. Moreover your justifications tend more towards the first rather than a generic observation.

Oh SoF only wants to win at all costs? You mean like when SoF didn't ask for massive FA or accept a fully stocked tagjumper? Or how about when they didn't FS SoL/LCN knowing what would happen? Stop projecting. Lastly, you still seem to not appreciate the idea of bloc politics....or rather i should say, you ignore that in your post. As much as SoF needed LaF, LaF needed SoF.

ha hopefully he uses the private browsing

Oh come off it. Your post is nothing more than a cheap way of saying SoF only wins because LaF bails them out or as you say to ensure the war is won. That isn't the case at all.

Moreover LaF helping in a gangbang isnt something to be ashamed of. Why wouldn't SoF call in their ally when the numbers are against them?

You don't want to have a pointless argument yet your only point is that LaF honors their FDP or that SoF used their allies to not get gangbanged. doesnt everyone do that? Yea.....that's a worthwhile discussion. I guess when you compare them to MD it might be worthwhile ;)

December-January: MD hits a mostly netting SoF during their reunion set. SoF was preparing a tagsplit to war a much smaller foe. SoF had no intention of hitting MD. You guys just wanted to ruin SoF's reunion set. Motion not granted, but I can give you half a point because LaF did come to our aide.

Feb-March: Everyone signs pacts with out clauses. SoF FSd a larger MD and won. it was MD that took massive FA from their allies and a fully stocked and prepped tagjumper. Don't try and lie to your members and AT about that nonsense. LaF was policing for SoF, ofc they would kill the tagjumper! Motion not granted.

April-May: I'm sorry that LaF has to honor their FDP. I'm also sorry that you guys didn't have the courage to help your allies....look at what SoF did this set. I'm surprised anyone pacts you. LaF, MD, and SoF all sign pacts with out-clauses to help their allies. The difference between LaF/SoF and MD is that LaF/SoF act on their pacts.

SoF took revenge on LCN and DK for being a part of your FA chains in Feb/March. SoF and MD went to war because MD picked on a much smaller alliance in iMag despite SoF's warnings….that's right, MD bullied iMag. The ball was in your court to skate away and not war SoF. Motion not granted.

June-July-Great so just throw it out there despite no knowing what went down. FYI, LaF went to war with TiVo and PDM. Motion not granted.

August-September: Wait, did you just reference the set before? Weren't you inactive the set before so why are you making a definitive statement on the prior set? You don't even know what SoF did the previous set! We were hit by Evo because of LaF! If anything LaF owed SoF for their aggression towards Evo. The Monsters issue was unfortunate. SoL's role was obvious and expected; they are always waiting in the wing to attack us and now they had their opportunity both politically (in their minds), and numerically. But…that was a gangbang oop. It wasn't an even war. Motion not granted.

October-November:
Actually, this wasn't a war SoF started. It was a coordinated attack by all of our allies that fell through for various reasons. Motion not granted.

So at best, I rate your claim .5/6.

As for your last line, I find it hilarious that you would fault SoF for calling in an ally to fight against a larger enemy. SoF is doing quite well this set without LaF. Moreover they always have.

Nowhere did you mention that LaF and SoF have been working in tandem to stop their opposing bloc. Never is it mentioned that SoF has aided LaF in the past two years. Never is it mentioned that one of the reasons LaF hasn't been gangbanged was because SoF pacted in tandem with LaF.

I'd like to end by highlighting what we saw in the June/July and August-September sets. You didn't even have the necessary information to make those two postings (and I'm using your own admission here). This is indicative of your PR machine; facts don't matter, just continue spinning this cute narrative.

I was waiting for aponic to respond here but he doesn't check AT often. In fact, he's a very busy man as of late. He already explained to us what went down during his talks well before this post showed up on AT.

iiScode took the time to connect the dots wrt the civil war and the pactings despite it being completely obvious. He also has already hinted at aponic's intentions; aponic had mused an idea to not pact LaF...those intentions were his own. That wasn't approved by the other heads nor discussed with them. I think he got to comfy with you guys and exposed one of his musings. He has 'matured' a bit in that regard and sees you for what you are...untrustworthy.

One of you pointed out that a country in SoF supports the idea that SoF was going to hit LaF. The country was created well after the FDP was signed with LaF.

There is no secret plot to hit LaF and despite your attempts here and elsewhere, LaF knows that.

Right....that's how it all happened.

I've already seen these. what else you got?

you assume that just because LaF and SoF are FDPs, and fought together in the past, that I agree with everything LaF, and specifically eugene, does.

Yea. looks like the offending posts were deleted.

to clarify because it seems my post was ambiguous: his actions are banned not him.

also apparently banned by the mods

that too

oh don't worry, you probably already signed a unap with their enemies.

nothing to see here ;)

looks like it is. Martian just posted:

Jan 8th 2014, 18:47:32
you can brag all you want just don't post country numbers with owners to this forum.

they actually are loving it wooooo

you know what else we love? calling mdevol's bluff.

Sov shot you down already...good job. Wonder if you will own up to it.

The owner of said country is one of many members not in love with LaF. Your deduction skills need a little work.

whomever told you that is no friend of mine (if that is what you meant).
even if that were true why would you make that public on AT? That's not your place. Also surprising that you take so much glee in it.

I've never told you, or anyone outside of SoF, my country name or whatever themes I have used at any point in time. I've never shared that information this set or during any previous set.

In fact if someone asked me I wouldn't share that information.

me

Even IF that was my country, and that's a big IF, why is it such an important thing for you to share? Why does it give you so much satisfaction?

Suppose it was mine, isn't that breaking the forum rules (or close enough)? The mere fact that you posted that with such authority would be a red flag to me as a mod. I expected a bit more from a leader in SoL. Say what you want about SoF's leaders but they aren't parading country numbers around like that. Have some class. You don't want to be treated like a puppet...then act like a leader and much less a troll.

Your response to the civil war bit is comical. I think you finally put 2 and 2 together.

There is nothing to answer, and more importantly, no one of importance to answer to.

The question was already settled with Flamey's answer. Aponic already made it clear what SoF's intentions were if the pacts were secured and iScode provided some more context. Put 2 and 2 together and it's not so hard to figure out what happened and how the civil war fits in.
He is just trolling and fishing for something not there.

Again, I am glad you have decided what SoF is doing next set. Does this statement confuse you? I am not surprised you would make this claim because it is reflected in your politics.

There wasn't a gangbang last set.

I'm glad that you have already decided what SoF is going to do next set. Is that you Sov?

To your most recent post:
There wasn't any promise from MD that they would hit SoF in defense of SoL.

now that's scary :)

Red: you probably should re-read my post.

" So Sof hitting the mostly netting Sol, and MD coming in was not the same.... Lol. "

I've already addressed that above. They weren't.

Treat others as you want to be treated? Okay, now we see how MD wants to be treated. SoF says thank you for signing off on future gangbangs.