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Dec 4th 2021, 13:09:44

I would've participated but work got in the way this week and I overflowed turns massively. =\

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Nov 28th 2021, 13:11:59

Originally posted by guochel:
Originally posted by NitelL:

You sell the food on public. (: Food on market does not get lost to gov switches or decay.


that will never work in tourney. i have 85 million bushels, right now. i can't sell that many on the public market. the buying/demand is not big enough to buy all those bushels from me at 35 dollars per bushel

i guess converting to mbr with stockpiled bushels will never work in tourney


Probably true given how small tourney is now (2a with 18 players) - this was written 10+ years ago for tourney (2a with 229 players), and since rejoining I've only ever tried this in Express, where it works like a charm. Given this board, it's about Express.

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Nov 27th 2021, 16:49:43

Originally posted by guochel:
i don't understand why you would convert to mbr with 2 billion dollars in food stockpiled. when you convert your land into military bases, doesn't that lower the selling price of food in the private market? i thought about doing this in tourney this round, but i decided not to convert to mbr because of this reason

for instance, you convert all your acres to mbr. now, instead of selling bushels on private market at 35 dollars, it's now 29 or 27 dollars even with maximum military tech.

and if you try to convert all your bushels into money prior to converting to mbr, you get a lot of corruption during those 80-200 turns you're using to convert to mbr. because you have 4 billion cash

so why would you convert to mbr if you have 2 billion dollars worth of cash in food stockpiled? (assuming you already have 2 billion dollars of cash in the bank that's not food)


You sell the food on public. (: Food on market does not get lost to gov switches or decay.

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Nov 24th 2021, 21:15:56

I like how the whole community here has made it a project to educate Ratski. Haha

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Nov 23rd 2021, 21:15:30

Originally posted by Ratski:
NiteiL That strategy is great for Alliances or tournament because they are long term play. But on Express ? I am not so sure . I build CS to get to 50 bpt and farms and industry's in the beginning of the set, of express, I don't change The manage setting for at least 50 turns, and build spies and turrets on manage to 25, 75, sell turrets as needed, and save the bushels, tell I pick a government to explore with I like Republics because I can get 54 acres per turn, but I am not sure how to best build that one yet, and commies , I like the fast military growth But I still don't know how best to play this one ether.


I've played that strat in Express the first set I returned, and it landed at 22m (exactly as written and expected). Tourney has the same number of turns as Express - in fact, Express might be about 100 turns LONGER than tourney.

The clear thing about it, since you asked for a blueprint, is to follow that pattern - 1) grow, 2) stockpile cash/food, 3) destock/spend it.

If you follow that guide, turn by turn, you will finish higher than you've ever finished by double the nw.

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Nov 23rd 2021, 19:58:53

Originally posted by g0nz0:
Yeah no. You gave him one of the most complex strats. MBR?

Go farmer. Grab, grab, grab. Buy Agri and mil tech. Store food on market. Sell on private to buy military and oil.
Farmer for you. Then try techer/Casher.


All x theo techer, with MB destock.

It shows him the overall arch/blueprint - grow, stock, destock. 3 phases. Step by step.

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Nov 23rd 2021, 14:33:53

Originally posted by Ratski:
There is no blue print how to play to this frustrating game. The last set I tried to stay with the cashier and bought the tech and the military, I can't buy spies so I make a lot of them. I look at the bots banks money take it for fast cash, before hitting them to have the money to build after I hit them no need to sell oil or bushes, and besides I was losing 8 to 9 thousand bushels a turn, so I bought a million or so bushels, and kept a close eye on that account, I hate cash, and bushel shortages are costly. And oil I tried to stock it, but moving 3 to 4 million units, a hit, eats it fast even hitting bots.


Here's a blueprint, try it for one set.

This was written for tourney 10+ years ago (which has roughly the same number of turns as Express today), and posted on Strategy Room. Looking at finishes from last couple of resets, this will get you top 10 with just all-x, and this isn't even the best way to play all-x techer, nor all-x on this server today.

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Sell 100 troops and 100 Bushels.
Change tax rate to 35%.
Set production to 100% Turrets.
Government remains at Monarchy.

Build 20 CS (10 bpt)
Build 100 Farms
Explore whenever possible
Sell food on private market whenever possible
Build 20 CS (15 bpt)
Sell all food

Change Government to Theocracy (21 bpt)

Build 500 ICs
Explore when necessary.
Sell food whenever possible.

Note: If you can't build all 500, build CS 1 at a time and sell food every turn until you can build 1 full bpt of ICs. Stop at 500 ICs.

Build 140 CS (70bpt)
Explore and build ICs to 2k acres

Store turns
Batch explore to 3k acres
Build land as ICs

Store turns
Batch Explore to 6k acres
Build barren land as Labs
Convert the 3k ICs to labs 1 turn of building at a time

=Stockpiling=
At this point, its day 9 and you should now be a fully converted 6k acre techer. From now to day 24, tech all your turns. You can sell once or twice a day. If possible, remember to get the 3 turn bonus twice if you double sell. If not, just get the 6 turn bonus and sell once a day.

What to tech:
Bus/Res - Sells well, and gives you positive income
Agri/Indy - Sells for even higher, but has no effect on your country
Military - Sells the highest towards the end of the set.

On day 24, you should have teched a total of ~1,260,000 tech points. Sell as many tech points as you can but leave 60k military tech untouched. The 1.2m tech points would translate to ~4.2b cash. Since you can only hold 2b on hand at any one time, the rest of that stockpile has to be stored in bushels. So buy food while its price is still low.

=Conversion=
You should now start converting to full MBR. Destroy all your labs at one go, and rebuild them as Military Bases. This conversion will cost you ~$130m and take ~85 turns. You would thus be left with ~4b to destock with. Since you started conversion on the 24th, you should be done by the 25th.

=Destocking=
With 60k Mil tech, a 6k acres MBR would destock at $180/nw. On a 30 day set, you have 5 days of market replenishment left (from 26th-30th). Buyout your private market entirely, and logout with an empty private market. Login the next day and buyout the whole private market again. Remember to always logout with an empty private market to allow for maximum market replenishment. Just repeat this daily until the 30th. You should be able to spend 2.65b on your private market, which would translate to 14.7m nw. Since you started with ~4b, you still need to spend the remaining 1.35b on the public market. I suggest you spend this on day 26 while public market prices are still low.

As half of your stock is in bushels, remember to sell them so you login with 2b again the day after you blow your first 2b.

=Your finishing nw=
Start with 1-2m nw
Blowing 2.65b off private @$180/nw = 14.7m nw
Blowing 1.35b off public @$265/nw ($150 turrets) = 5.1m
Total finishing nw = ~21-22m nw

This strat was detailed without reselling. If you manage to make additional profits from reselling military on the last few days, you might end up with an additional 1-2m nw, giving you ~23m nw or possibly more.

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Nov 22nd 2021, 19:11:43

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Originally posted by NitelL:
Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Rep Farmer sux lol .. didn't help that I forgot to recall some 8m oil before spending my cash 😆

I'll Do all x Rep Casher or maybe Theo?


Wanna do an all x challenge one set?


Sure, I didn't even start this round because of RL getting in the way lol


Well I made 1 KR the last reset and stopped playing.
What's the likelihood we get to do all-x for 1 set without being farmed/suicided? lol

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Nov 22nd 2021, 19:08:10

Originally posted by Ratski:
I played cashier on a Theocracy Dropped labs oil rig, and indies after I had 500.000 k spies. and bought bushels and oil. and was making 2 million a turn cashing and used the money to buy military and tech on res and business, and pushed my money up to 3.250000 per turn, cashing. and still dropped the last day to 69th place with 20K worth land. When I first started playing 20.000 acres was enough to make the top ten, not anymore. I made 104 attacks, barely got to 22.000 acres, Theocracy's don't seem to take a lot on land grabs. And no I was not running a rain bow.


What level was your bus/res tech at? You were theo casher right? You want it at ~150% for theo, ~175% for rep.

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Nov 18th 2021, 12:37:39

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Rep Farmer sux lol .. didn't help that I forgot to recall some 8m oil before spending my cash 😆

I'll Do all x Rep Casher or maybe Theo?


Wanna do an all x challenge one set?

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Nov 15th 2021, 3:49:20

Congrats Getafix!

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Nov 12th 2021, 20:34:23

Originally posted by LightBringer:
Originally posted by TidyTerry:
Lot of cashers and techers, I was thinking casher with tech start but now I'm wondering if I should go Indy.


There is a massive shortage of farmers.


Well, not if I give you 80k acres of farm.

xD

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Nov 9th 2021, 19:10:31

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Nov 9th 2021, 18:41:32

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Giving Ratski advice on netting is like trying to get a cat to fetch a stick and bring it to you.


So you're saying... there's a chance!

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Nov 9th 2021, 16:54:42

Ratski, countries (even bots) stockpile cash/bushels throughout the week, to do a big jump on the last day.

The reason you stockpile is to lower your military expenses during the game, and after you make that big jump your country is more or less unplayable (because of military expenses).

First though, you need to stop playing a rainbow country with every building type. xD

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Nov 9th 2021, 16:13:01

I'm going farmer.

Please let there be no farmers!

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Nov 9th 2021, 5:06:23

Congrats Tmac and Rob on 1, 2!

And I had expected the techer on 3 to finish higher with these tech prices!

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Nov 8th 2021, 18:57:56

If you're allx, given the ability to batch 360 turns at a time, the explore bonus allows you to get way more land. Coupled with the PCI boost (and no negative pop/pci 'bonus'), your production is overall better.
(Increased land also easier destock, bigger PM etc.)

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Nov 8th 2021, 17:23:36

A oiler has never won Express, but has definitely finished well enough to land in the top 10.

So I guess, I'm running with a very wide definition of viable. Ha

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Nov 8th 2021, 17:17:49

If you're doing allx, I'd definitely recommend rep farmer - you'd prob get more out of it than fasc farmer.

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Nov 8th 2021, 16:16:32

TMBR not viable in Express at all. Full Oiler is possible!

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Nov 8th 2021, 14:26:25

Fasc Farmers doing theo destocks.

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Nov 5th 2021, 18:55:37

Casher is probably the easiest to play now, though has the weakest destock of the lot (corruption if you choose not to stock bushels, and balancing eating/stocking/destocking bushels really difficult towards the end for casher).

Techer is a wildcard - if prices were like last set, it would have been epic for a large techer who got their land early.

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Nov 5th 2021, 15:27:53

Quality of life changes that Slag made. Most notable differences:
1. No more bot buyout end of set to exploit.
2. Bots do not buy tech indiscriminately anymore (they buy a range around what is 'optimal', depending on turns left and prices; they will still buy very expensive tech if it's early enough).
3. Food price on private is higher.
4. The turns right off the bat was because, for a week long set, the first day or so (like 20% of the set) was just spent waiting for turns to accumulate on an empty-sh market.

Makes all strats playable now, though it's easier to win on 2 of them if you have the time/commitment.

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Nov 5th 2021, 15:11:47

I'll be going farmer next set =P let there be no farmers!

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Nov 1st 2021, 0:31:26

Congrats cordy! Great win despite losing turns!

And I forgot to spend my last 2b, despite a very silly set lol

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Oct 31st 2021, 15:22:42

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
Sometimes he copied forums regulars country name, he copied mine few times lol


I've had different people copy my country names for many sets! Gerdler did it one time thinking it would bestow on him my 'diplomatic immunity'. Haha

PS: There is no such thing as diplomatic immunity.

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Oct 26th 2021, 0:09:50

Grabbing humans is fine as long as you're trying to net; it's a challenge to grab and keep your land (see: primary). On this server though, it's almost never worth the retal.

So far, what we've seen is a bunch of folks just grabbing humans and then doing absolutely nothing with the land. In fact, as TwoPodRay has already mentioned, many of these human grabbers run 0 defence (all-jetters), and grab netters running serious defence -> it's basically suiciding (and kinda ironic, given the complaint is 0 defence netters).

Ultimately, this sorta griefing is definitely not in the spirit of the game. Wars should remain on the clan servers - solo servers are for the best individually skilled players (who win sets). And it shows! So far, none of these warring countries have actually managed to kill any netting country (the reverse is true though). If you believe Earth is a war game, at least have 1 successful kill!

This has already led to visible attrition of players from the server.

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Oct 18th 2021, 16:49:47

Originally posted by cordycsw:
lol i forgot to make my jump.

overslept hahahaha


A win is a win. xD

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Oct 18th 2021, 16:48:53

4 different names have hit me across 3 sets.

We aren't seeing top 10 with avg acreage of 50-70k acres because there are only a few of us who consistently get there by turn 1500 (tips below), and for IRL reasons, most of us didn't play last couple of sets (except cordy and I). Given that only a few of us actually get there, my country has been something like 10-20k acres ahead of second place when the suicides come in. And there is no such thing as enough defence, when a 0 def country just blows stock/production to send a 7m jet PS (10m turret break). lol

Tips:
Specialize - Commie indy, Rep/Theo casher, Fasc farmer, Demo/Theo techer.
Use eestats.com to find targets. Ignore the DR line - this server's DR half-life is 8 hours and country-to-country DR is 72 hours (rule of thumb: don't hit targets who get hit in the last 8 hr). NW-match your targets (same NW as target when grabbing). Build a lot more CS, early. Buy a lot more tech, early (whatever the price is - it compounds).

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Oct 18th 2021, 5:49:48

I've been suicided on 3 sets in a row now by all-jetters with 0 defense, and I actually had decent defense. This is becoming pretty silly.

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Oct 1st 2021, 3:14:23

Looks like we're back to old school earth news. lol

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Sep 17th 2021, 20:25:48

Originally posted by SuperFly:
Only yourself, Cordy & nitel asked for DNH so I don’t think it’s a hit deal


I feel like it was Rob and not me, because you did hit me. lol

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Sep 17th 2021, 13:33:23

Originally posted by cordycsw:
ok then superfly can grab nitel.

but i had more than 1m turrets lol.

so i shld be given a free pass :))


But even when I had defence... (6m troops)

5 days ago
A brigade from Sterlitamak (#94) has invaded your lands!
Their forces broke through your defences!
They took:
1303 Acres (1843 Gained)
1857 Buildings (554 Stolen)
$89,643
8028 Technology Points
Your military lost:
301,291 Troops
50 Turrets
Their military lost:
178,547 Jets

I've also always said, if you catch me with 0 def, I deserve it, though I should be able to farm it back pretty easily. This time round the first country who hit me was dead before I could login to find out I was grabbed. -_-

Edited By: NitelL on Sep 17th 2021, 13:35:26
See Original Post

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Sep 9th 2021, 15:30:22

Congrats Tmac and Rob! Great finish by Tmac!

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Aug 18th 2021, 21:19:29

I thought you guys were gonna buy my tech?

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Aug 17th 2021, 11:44:58

I can't play for half of this week, so I'll tech. =P

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Aug 16th 2021, 4:16:57

Congrats TwoPodRay! A win is a win and well deserved. (: Glad to see you take it!

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Aug 14th 2021, 15:09:01

Anyone managed to identify the suicider? =P

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Aug 9th 2021, 15:10:04

Rank Country Land Networth Special
1 Tmac (#37) Game profile 58,039 $81,814,117 HG
2 bears dont eat egg sandwiches (#97) Game profile 58,557 $69,355,377 CG
3 w h o p l a y s s u n d a y s (#35) Game profile 44,871 $58,879,289 HG
4 A gentleIndy never tells (#99) Game profile 30,519 $44,623,829 CG
5 U n d e r p r i c e d T e c h (#77) Game profile 16,569 $40,799,112 DG
6 CrackaDoodleDoo (#93) Game profile 1778 $37,102,452 HG
7 eye am a b0t (#30) Game profile 35,193 $36,698,511 HG
8 Live it up (#70) Game profile 25,590 $35,444,252 HG
9 lisdexia (#3) Game profile 25,727 $27,543,629 TG
10 i will kill you (#28) Game profile 15,984 $26,850,054 DG

Congrats Tmac once again!

(And guess who lost the tri-farmer contest...)

NitelL

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Aug 6th 2021, 17:03:54

You buy it for $400 on private.

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Aug 4th 2021, 22:13:27

Don't see enough I'm still like >50% of all agri transacted. lol Produce more and crash the market please.

NitelL

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Aug 4th 2021, 13:07:19

I've already bought >50% of the agri tech transacted on the market so far. Can we have more of it please?

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Aug 3rd 2021, 17:34:09

I'm pretty sure someone will play a commie.

There are always cashers, but just depends on who's playing them.

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Aug 3rd 2021, 15:58:50

Jokes on you - I'll just go with no tech!

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Aug 2nd 2021, 20:03:50

I will be farming to Saturday. I mean... who plays Sundays?

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Aug 2nd 2021, 16:26:16

Feeling like a great sportsmanship moment - you may name your next country NitelL and put it in #1, thanks. xD

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Aug 2nd 2021, 15:39:06

Originally posted by Tmac:
I sold at $95 all set until nitel started jumping.


Do I get to claim credit for your victory as well then?

We can consider it a shared olympic gold. =P

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Aug 2nd 2021, 15:38:03

Congrats Tmac! Superb finish again.

And a pity Rob! (I've done that twice as a fasc farmer so far. lol)