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Jun 3rd 2012, 22:44:14

Afraid I didn't get your PM, mind sending it again. Unless it has been dealt with by someone else.

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Jun 3rd 2012, 20:08:32

Just saw this, have PMed you.

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May 1st 2012, 15:26:04

If you could PM me, that would be much appreciated.

WB,
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Apr 27th 2012, 5:11:58

Is there a Samcro contact I can speak with? Do PM me if you are around. Thanks.

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Apr 24th 2012, 17:36:12

Poor Qzjul, that appendix explosion story will haunt him for years.

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Apr 18th 2012, 21:20:30

Originally posted by Tertius:
I don't understand how some people are misconstruing the situation so poorly. Just looking at #575's news, it's obvious that he repeatedly RoR on countries that did not originally hit DC. So whether you call those retals or grabs isn't really too important because either way they are not accepted retals (he hit players who did not attack DC). Thus, they are treated as grabs and those players acceptably retal them, #575 retals their retal, it sounds like FA contact is made, DC says this is their policy, Evo says that's not standard policy and kills the member who repeatedly offends.

This seems pretty cut and dry. You could argue that all alliances should give them a DNH to begin with (though it seems Evo's stance is that DC didn't specifically ask them for one) and it's hard to see the merit behind the several LaF guys who are calling Evo the big bad wolf because they got a DNH pact just a few days before the killing.

Regardless of feelings on driving away new players, this kill run is not really so controversial. Evo (and others) is fairly lenient with accepted forms of retals if one of their members is farming an alliance, however there are ZERO alliances which accept retals on countries which never hit you. After explaining the policy, if the offending country/alliance is not willing to change, the accepted route is a kill run/war.

H4 and Anon can argue semantics but it doesn't change what really happened, and the fact is that it is a policy dispute and not bullying.


Ty Tertius. For a moment, I was afraid our main point was being lost in rhetoric.

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Apr 18th 2012, 17:02:35

To reiterate what Anon has said. This is DC's stance in the words of Jax45:

When we get hit by countries that are too strong for us to retaliate against, we will do the next best thing and get our land back from weaker countries (preferably in the same clan). I realize this is not a generally accepted way of dealing with things but we feel that their is no other valid way to handle it without getting ground into dust.

The bottomline is that rather than retalling the appropriate countries who grabbed them, DC proceeded to 'retal' other random Evo countries. True these can be considered grabs, but when you have their Foreign Affairs say this is their way of retalling us back, it is not acceptable to us.

The reason why we contacted them is to make clear the baseline rules of the server. The rules (tacit or written) of which are meant to help stabalize this server. Jax45 was given a chance to explain himself and he made it clear DC was not going to change its policy. So when diplomacy fails, the next best thing you have left in earth is to resort to military force to remove the immediate threat. Evo was gracious to give them a chance to explain their position. However, we were not prepared to go the extra mile to help them 'learn' at the immediate expense of our other members. As many others have suggested, they can learn by joining a more established alliance first, and then branch out on their own. Ultimately, the highest purpose of the clan is to protect its members within ethical boundaries. Unfortunately in this case, this meant having to kill their top two countries to defend the immediate interests of Evo members.

This post should make clear that Evo leadership thought this through both ethically and strategically before we acted. There will always be differences in opinion as to 'the right way things should be done'. If you do not want to accept our stance, fair enough, the world isn't usually in perfect agreement.

Sure we have our 'bad eggs' who are farming them excessively, but they will have to bear/deal with the consequences themselves when they get suicided upon. The case of Biohazard IX that annon mentioned is a good example.

Hopefully with this post, you now have a better understanding of Evo's considerations. Peace out.

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Edited By: Wat3rBaRr3l on Apr 18th 2012, 17:04:46
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Apr 15th 2012, 3:11:26

Bonus

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Apr 11th 2012, 4:34:15

Saw this the other day. Hilarious!

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Apr 9th 2012, 2:51:48

bonus

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Apr 5th 2012, 1:40:40

You know you want to =).

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Mar 31st 2012, 20:36:31

=)

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Mar 21st 2012, 7:47:56

Hey CG, evo misses your presence. Swing by soon will ya!

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Mar 17th 2012, 22:18:24

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Mar 10th 2012, 19:42:53

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Mar 4th 2012, 1:09:02

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Feb 23rd 2012, 19:54:10

contact made. Cheers.

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Feb 23rd 2012, 15:52:00

ninong: the 3's seem to trigger that for most people.

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Feb 23rd 2012, 5:29:30

Have made contact via Private Message. Just wanted to be sure you'll read it :P.

Evo FA

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Feb 17th 2012, 3:24:55

=)

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Feb 11th 2012, 2:29:26

congrats SOL. Continue to stay strong and best of luck for future sets!

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Feb 7th 2012, 6:11:54

http://evolution2025.com/application.php

Join evo! We can not only help you get reacquainted with rep cash but help you get your highest finish.

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Feb 7th 2012, 5:15:48

Haha nope. We are two separate individuals.

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Feb 7th 2012, 5:10:04

Hey all,

I'm a new evo FA, and as faced by all newcomers to the FA department, I'm looking to create a contact list.

For those clans who have not updated their FA details on Directory of Alliances or AT, it would be much appreciated. I'm sure other newcomers to the FA world would appreciate it as well.

Thanks!

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Jan 31st 2012, 20:44:00

Haha no. For one, she is supposedly a girl and I am a guy. Two, I am from Asia and I believe she is from the West (if my memory from the past serves me well).

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Jan 30th 2012, 17:26:32

Likewise, I can be reached by email or forum message at

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Jan 29th 2012, 0:09:00

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Jan 12th 2012, 21:54:06

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Dec 21st 2011, 3:47:43

^^ agreed with the post above.

America has always tried to solve problems on its terms without fully understanding the cultural mindset of the adversary. I think now they and the rest of the world have recognised that a truly lasting solution to the situation in Iraq and by extension the larger Sunni-Shi'a tension + Arab-Israeli conflict has to come on Middle-eastern terms. Unfortunately, it seems that countries and groups in the middle-east will have to slug it out before they feel enough pain to want to sit down and work out a peaceful solution for the future (similar to the wars in europe which have eventually led to peace). The rest of the world can help facilitate this process, but we are in no position to solve their problems for them.

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Dec 19th 2011, 16:46:51

Seems like Asia is getting hit disproportionally bad by the effects of climate change.

I'll find a way to send some money to the red cross over there.

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Dec 17th 2011, 19:39:25

Bonus post

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Nov 14th 2011, 18:24:21

The squabbles and conflicts we have in alliance server is really realism 101.

Cracks me up everytime I frame our wars in realist terms.

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Nov 11th 2011, 5:27:31

gl indeed

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Nov 4th 2011, 3:46:23

yup there was.

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Oct 29th 2011, 19:58:37

If I made a mistake, other Singaporeans please step in to correct me. Also, I deserve to be shot if I made a mistake haha.

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Oct 29th 2011, 19:57:18

Diez is right, there are only two main malay languages - Bahasa Melayu and Bahasa Indonesia.

I think your confusion probably comes from this line (as the national language and one of four official languages of Singapore). A short answer to that is, Bahasa Melayu is one of the four official languages of Singapore. The other three official languages are non-Malay.

More comprehensive explanation is: because Singapore used to be part of Malaysia (we gained independence in 1965), Malay remains as our national language (our military commands are given in Malay).

However, we have four official languages - English, Mandarin (Chinese), Malay and Tamil (Indian). English is the first language for all Singaporeans. We are then required to take second languages in school - either Mandarin, Malay (Bahasa Melayu) or Tamil.

Hope this helps.

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Oct 17th 2011, 2:15:01

chipotle ftw

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Oct 13th 2011, 3:16:13

Yes I am samx, long time no see. Where are you playing now? You used to be with MD yes? And if my memory serves me well you are from Indonesia.

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Oct 12th 2011, 4:46:37