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Be carefull when using IE8 with this. Causes all sorts of issues.

He is having major server difficulties I'd imagine.

RKO has been farming a lot of tags. Dont think he knows the forums exist.

Down again. Wouldnt consider it a usefull tool.

And be able to see sent messages

What Im saying is not to do with increasing the set length. I'm saying that unless its done AS THE SERVER HANDS TURNS OUT it wont work. The turns awarded MUST follow the same paramaters as turns being handed out.

Have as many bonus turns as you want, fluff you could have it stack to 120(360), but it cannot decay, deplete or otherwise from that to a lower figure while "gametime" is positive. That would mean complete recoding.

* = times
/ = divide

Just so im not misunderstood

llaar is spot on.

The formula;

Acres.

VarX = Acres / 4
VarY = CS * 2
VarZ = NW / 3
VarW = VarX * VarY / VarZ

AcresOnRestart = VarW * 1000 (rounded down)

CS Obtained.

VarX = CS total
VarY = AcresOnRestart
VarZ = NW / 3
VarW = VarX * VarY / VarZ

CSOnRestart = VarW * 200 (rounded down)


Thats a start on the maths I guess. It works. Try it.

At least I think thats right lol

Ok. When you first start. First second into the game. You have 50 turns. Turns get handed out every 20 mins. Say the set runs for 60 mins theoretically.

50 * 20 = 1000
Game time = 60 (1 turn per 20 mins)
Total turns playable = 53
Total turns elapsed = 53 * 20 = 1060

Even if a country starts with 53 turns - total still = 1060 no matter how it plays out.

See the shift? a perfect 60 = game time

There are 3 turns in the duration of the set.
First 20 mins = free (120). After that free (60), after that (0)
If country A starts at 120(120) in first 20 mins, Country B starts with 120(60) after 2nd 20 mins, and Country C starts last 20 mins with 120(0).

Ignore the time as its irrelevant.

Country A = 120(120) + 3 = 243 Turns playable
Country B = 120(60) + 2 = 182 Turns playable
Country C = 120(0) + 1 = 121 Turns playable

That means maximum playable turns = 243.
120(120) = 240 = 240 * 20 = 4800
3 * 20 = 60
Total = 4860.

BUT

Country B = 120(60) + 2 = 182 * 20 = 3640
Country C = 120(0) + 1 = 121 * 20 = 2420

That means Country A effectively has ghost turns, not divisible by gametime.



Now look at what I said.

Each turn handed out HAS to be handed out by the server. Hypothetical again, say 20 mins = 60 turns.

Country A starts first 20
Country B Second 20
Country C Third 20

Country A max = 120(0) + (60 + 60 = 120) = 240
Country B max = 120(60) = 180 + (60) = 240
Country C max = 120(120) = 240

Now extend the set by another 60 mins & add three more countries, but the extra turns stop ticking at 60min mark.
Still keep the 60 per 20 mins.

Country A max = 120(0) + (60 + 60 = 120) = 240 + 60 + 60 + 60 = 420
Country B max = 120(60) = 180 + (60) = 240 + 60 + 60 + 60 = 420
Country C max = 120(120) = 240 + 60 + 60 + 60 = 420
Country D max = 120(120) = 240 + 60 +60 = 380
Country E Max = 120(120) = 240 + 60 = 320
Country F max = 120(120) = 240

0.333333333333333 = turns per min

That means max 420 = 420 * 0.333333333333333 = 140 mins
Country C = 120(120)
= 180 turns elapsed
= 420 * 0.333333333333333 = 140 mins

The maths is slightly out. But thats my lazy fault.


Country C now has same and no ghost turns exist.

All I'm saying is that the bonus must remain 120(120) for all early starters during the duration of the 120 turns elapsing, and that decreasing turns as turns elapse is a mathematical nightmare.

Ok so heres my proposal, with a few extras thrown in.

All new players recieve 120(0) turns at the start. That gets products on the market early in the set. Improves gameplay, makes it more competitive.

Now the hard part. The mechanics behind game length in relation to turns are I guess pretty ground in place. Say the game length is 4560 turns. The mechanics behind it, logic, would specify that no individual country could take more than 4560 turns + 50 turns at the beginning. That means, turn handouts (as a variable) at the 1 second mark of the server live time after reset = 50 * 20 mins = 1000. That makes the total turns (Hypothetical) 5560.

So theres the problem I see with implimentation.

The solution? Increase the turns at the start of the set to 120(0). Have it stack until 120(120) and then stop. Thats the max benefit any person can get. That means anyone who joins before 80hrs into the set recieves the bonus, and anyone after that point loses the stacking turns.

IE:
Country A joins 79:40 (79 Hours & 40 Mins) - They recieve 120(119)
Country B joins 80:40 - They recieve 120(120).

Country A has recieved 242 Turns in total. Country B has recieved 240 turns in total.

That means that the logic can be programmed relatively easy, as no country can take more turns than the server can hand out. No new variables need to be made, and the benefit is even on both sides.

Pre-80hrs get the market advantage, and get out of protection early, meaning they can stock max turns. Other pre-80's will potentially hit the stackers with early LG's. Post-80hrs will not be too far behind, unless its a considerable amount of time, meaning its not unfair on them either IE balancing, and late starters just have to cope with the fact that they have missed out.

Makes it easy to understand. Easy to impliment & doesnt shake up the framework ie balancing :D

What really needs to be finetuned is the maths. When it comes down to this happening, it must be mathematical, or its too hard to code.

I like where your going enshula, please post up your %/Numbers for your ideas and reitterate.

Yup. It was that quick :D

The usual jaz.. Under our protection till the tag is complete. Hits will be retaled by either SYNxRIP or EoEA.

Welcome SYN!

Lol.. Answers my question. I think the title would be the right way to go. Linking actual ingame accounts with forum profiles would work too. Weeds out the spammers.

if ingameFFAacclink = true & postcount > 20
showallcontacts = true
end if

Obviously translated into php though :D

To stress my point above - 50% cash. Some Rep cashers have 13Bil cash = 6.5Bil cash. At something like 2M NW? Very unfair. They could stock - attack - destock too quickly out of protection.

I think the correct way to do this is to

a) Have a cap. A 20M netter getting to start again anywhere near that is unfair on others, Takes the competiveness out of it. Plus. Any 20M kill is a fair kill. Thats not an encouragement to new players, rather a hinderence, landing a well atuned player among potential new players (around their networth). I think a lot of bad things would come about

b) I like the ideas of salvage. It makes sense and gives chance to the option, meaning some may benefit more, and some less. Means that when restarting you really would have to make the most of what your given. Say A = B. Say A country gets 8% of NW but 3% L back. B Country gets 3% NW 8% L. B Country uses the excess more effectively than A as A has more land taken by buildings. The formula for Building cost would have to be recalculated, maybe off actual acres occupied (less space, higher building commisions, land is valued more because of previous development) This could be implemented with CS% as well. Less overall % back = More overall % of CS back. Balances it a bit. That way, regardless of defecit, either A or B have the same chance depending on how they use their advantages. Gives wake to a lot of new strats if thats the case, and the strats wont be - turn 1 - this, turn 2 this. It will have to be adaptable, meaning learning the game. Not following instructions.

c) They should not be given ample turns. 50 is enough. After that, they have another 50 turns in protection and then thats it. It flows with the other idea - REF: http://forums.earthempires.com/...5&z=beginning-of-sets

Just some points

I think increasing the starting turns is the right idea. 120(120) would be the maximum benefit you could gain, regardless of starting time in sets.

If you have a look at the other thread talking about restarts and offering a "Salvage phase" - this could be the balance that would even that out. Players can either take the restart with 120(120) or the "Salvaged" Country with whatever %land/%NW. That would give everyone an advantage, not just landfat NW fat countries or warring countries.

So to sum it up. Joining early gives you 120(0) turns. You would then bank "earlybird turns (1 every hour) until the server would have handed out 120 turns normally (IE 120 x 20min = 40 Hrs.) In that time, the earliest starters will get a MAX 40 turn bonus. That means people arent really being penalised for starting late, they are just 40 turns behind. Then, no matter how far you are in the set, you will only start with the maximum - 120(120). If the restart idea comes into play, to even it out, they would only recieve the traditional 50 turns, and most of that would be on salvaging.

That should balance both ideas pros and cons.

Woo!

Ah.. I mean.. Right *Nudges Next Poster* - Sheesh look at that guy..

:D

Spot On.

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Woo! Welcome :D

Based off looking at whats available now (Haven't been around since well before the 2025 shut down)

IMP + SoF = 186 Countries ATM. AVGing about 5M NW.
IMP & SoF are geared for war.

Focus + PANLV = 337 Countries. From posts, I understand that half of PANLV are unaware or were caught unaware. Focus has a nice diversity of gov's and has the NW advantage. They also can gear their countries with greater freedom due to high NW.

As to them stepping into the war, I'm sure they have their reasons. The Outcome? I see focus tipping the scales the other way a lil bit too far. I dont see IMP or SoF coming out on top.

History has its place. I played with NBK and NA back in the day and still find the people there fun to play with and easy to get along with. I cant say much on the rivalry that was around, but as now3p said, a new server doesnt change peoples opinions, its not a clean slate. Bitter rivalry isnt something that changes over time. It came about for a reason, and probably stays for a reason.

This may be really really noobish, but I cant figure out how to view someones details. Cant click on their user name cuz it just takes you to a PM. I can put my details in, and see that such and such has MSN and ICQ, but how can I view those details?

Lol.. :D Good luck focus and may the bloodshed be plentyful :D

mastering a restart is just good practice for a warring clan. Not much use if they cant :D

Its funny how it works.
AoDT catches NBK by surprise (A Nice FS at that).
NBK fights back and AoDT consistently says that they are winning.

Based off NBK's kills, AoDT is only safe until NBK's AVG reaches 7-8M.

It helps to tagkill, not FS and then slack off. In hindsight, the last 24 hours have been a much better effort on AoDT's part.

2 Cents.

And PS - Stonewalling is a legit strat. Keeps you busy wasting turns.

In hindsight I probably should have looked there, but I guess thats my point. Make it obvious, but not blatently obvious :D

Im gonna head over there now and make a donation :D

Personally, after seeing you guys bring this game back from the dead, I would glady donate to help with server costs, adverts and so on and so forth.

Im not talking "Donate & get free turns" or a freaking donation box on every page, but just a nice big button at the top for ppl to donate if they so wish. Paypal would be a good option as its cheap and can accept CC payments.

Just throwing it out there :D

Also adverts would get more players, more players = more interest = more costs, so a donation box will have to go there soon :D

This also solves the "I would leave if I had to pay for this game" scenario. Gives people the choice :D

Lol.. Yea QM has a real good point there. Controlling Women can only bring about one thing. Is your friend happy with her? Or is there some thing deep down that says.. "Hey fluff! I'm sick of your fluff!"

Maybe have a chat with your mate and say "Wake the fluff up and smell the garbage!"

Again, its your choice to take the advice or not :D

lol.. Nice work IMP & SoF. Bad luck PANLV. :D

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL... Post of the year :D

And another one bites the dust. Congrats LaE. You guys really are in it for the game
*condescending sarcasm*

fluffy much. Post a country number :D

I could just bribe the admin and have you deleted :D

if every oiler in FFA did it, you wouldn't be able to :D

Lol.. I think someone should dump a whole bunch of oil at $50. C'mon.. It'd be a loss, but amusing non the less

i knew of at least 200 actives back in the day when I was tagged under NBK. NBK had at least 80 members and NA had at least 100. When I'm thinking of, was the massive bot war when NBK decided to rain down on 2 or 3 bot runners, with some deletions from Mehul.

Back in the day :D

Thinking that your the only one with oil - Free
Thinking that everyone will buy your oil - Free
Thinking that by dictating prices, you control the market - Free
Realising that no body cares - PRICELESS

LMAO.. This is soooooo amusing :D

*Pimp slaps Maki*

Get back to work :D

Lol.. Epic.. haha

ahhh Bicardi 151.. That fluff is lethal. Wont be typing, let alone speaking after a few of those. 75.5% - 151 proof. Deadly :D

Or you could come join EoEA :D

Talk like this likely brought its demise originally. I agree that clan sizes are an issue, namely when everyone joins one clan, but in time others may be sniped into joining smaller clans for a challenge, some may not. As the community evolves, so will the game.