I'm only saying a woman who is determined will do it no matter what. Personally I'm in favor of giving them a safe place and making them wait a couple weeks, making sure it's not an on the spot decision, to get the procedure done. Although anything third trimester shouldn't be done unless it is absolutely necessary for the health of the mother. 20 weeks is more than enough time to make the decision. I'd rather they take the morning after pill (preventing fertilization or womb attachment) if they don't want a kid and forgot the glove.

That being said this subject is along the lines of things like gay marriage in my mind. Mostly religion based and therefor shouldn't be allowed or denied based on that.

Heston: My opinion on that is if a clinic sells the fetus the procedure should be free

this community has gotten weird

Well done you killed my inactive cannon fodder country. One FA package will take care of your effort.

I'm going to be deadly serious for a minute here.. When you play this game for so long, and hunt around to land kill inactive players then post about it on Alliance Talk, I really doubt your real life is progressing the way your parents hoped.

Maybe they kicked your ass on a daily basis and that is why you are consistently an angry dead beat. I apologise to you on behalf of Life for making yours so pathetic. Maybe you should believe in a religion that espouses reincarnation and you can have another try at not being a failure :)

Most other gaming communities would consider it a progressive change, since completely killing off other people's accounts/hard work is generally frowned upon in most multiplayer games...

wOOt ! fluff off AU.
Florida is win, now talk fluff boltar and mdevol!

Tired of being bottom fed? Don't be at the bottom, problem solved.
Tired of being farmed? Run better countries that can retal, problem solved.

No clan server exists already on Primary, Tournament, & Express, it's where we would be able to actually attract new players anyway, and probably where Alliance has to recruit from.

What we need, is a larger disclaimer that tells people that Alliance server is for Alliance based warfare, playing untag is very unsuitable.

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Well we do have this
Matthew 5:17
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
hmm Jesus displays not the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. They stand as is, apparently unless specifically 'tweaked' by his word. And no where in the New Testament does he mention homosexuality.

So the Old Testament verses about homosexuality stand. As do most all the other ridiculous laws, of which I chose to paraphrase two in my previous post;

Leviticus 11:10
And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you

Deuteronomy 22:11
Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woollen and linen together.

Well except if you listen to Paul's POV in Ephesians and Romans, in which yes i guess much of the OT was just a sloppy typo and you can now disregard.

But even Jesus gets a little confused in Luke:
16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

Well, unless you would prefer Exodus
12:14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever
or 1 Chronicles
16:15 Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations
or Leviticus
23:14 ..it shall be a statute for ever throughout your generations in all your dwellings

It's all very confusing. You would think the perfect word of God as given to us savage humans via The Bible would have a little less contradiction. When God laid out the Old Testament, he knew the New was coming around the corner, right?

A perfect word, from a perfect being, wouldn't leave all that wiggle room for cherrypicking. It is, after all, The Most Important Communication Ever. Or so It says.
Can't The Perfect Word be a bit more consistent?
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/otlaw.html

But back to Phil Robertson and his comments.. because in his own defense he states ‘All I Did Was Quote From the Scriptures’

What does Jesus say about homosexuality?
go ahead, google it.
Nothing. Nada. Zip.

Jesus does say in Matthew:
7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

So by Jesus' own words, it seems not many at all will get into heaven.
Especially if you have wealth:
Matthew 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

But Jesus says nothing about the gay. Paul is attributed to some anti-gay sentiments but prior to translation he may have been speaking of the child temple prostitutes (both male and female) or the practice (in Paul's time) of adult males taking teen boys 'under their wing' for tutorship and sexual favor.
Interesting (but not surprising) that this Ducky Phil Robertson only seems to hate on the male prostitutes btw lol


I'm glad I'm a straight (sorry to disappoint you scode), far-from-wealthy atheist, otherwise I'd be so confused by scriptures that I might have to play the odds at 50/50 no matter my predilection :

Luke 17:34
I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

Luke 17:35
Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

There ya go. You can increase your odds of going to heaven all the way up to 50% if you, ya know, get your gay on.

and #1 on the list of cherrypicking by Phil R and sooo many other Good Christians, and most regularly ignored:
Matthew 7:1-3
Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
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Phil Robertson doesn't just get his hate on for gays. Look at the spectrum of his statements.
That's why I added the link from 2010 in my previous post, it helps to provide a context for his ignorant views.
Or check out this article: When You Defend Phil Robertson, Here's What You're Really Defending
http://www.businessinsider.com/...-really-defending-2013-12

Bigots and racists circlejerking with other bigots and racists.

Hold onto your religious texts tightly, it's what you cherrypick to justify your hate.


Phil Robertson in 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDHr8GR-e-4

Eat any seafood lately? Wearing mixed fabrics? hypocrites!
~~you're going to die~~

Looks like it'll take at least another generation for the dinosaurs to die off.

Actions have consequences? Especially with ones' employer?

WHO KNEW?! I FOR ONE AM SHOCKED! SHOCKED!!!!!!

I also find it downright hilarious that the religious right is fluffing and moaning about TOLERANCE. Get real.

edit: i think i'm going to make my signature in LCN be something really really flaming gay, just so cerberus gets to look at it. :D

First before the search there needs to be probable cause to do the search, since when does the possible misdemeanor allow for a property search?, and until the cop tells you what he is arresting you for you don't have to get out of the vehicle. But of course you are getting arrested for being under the influence anyway as your being an A.S for the speeding ticket he pulled you over for, though maybe not I'm an ass plenty of times to them when they pull me over for stupid fluff... just be sober doing it

" In which case a police officer can completely design the question to get people like Vic. If you don't allow them and they don't have probable cause then they are allowed to have you pulled over for a certain amount of time to wait for a K-9 unit. "


I LIVE IN BOSTON, MASSACHUSETTS. not malaysia.

marijuana is decriminalized here. therefore a cop can not call in drug sniffing dogs to inspect for a tolerated substance.

further to this - even in a state where marijuana is NOT tolerated - if you are pulled over, and as you said, 'they don't have probable cause', then you are unequivocally wrong to say they can just have you wait while a k-9 unit comes.
OF COURSE THEY CAN'T! they don't have any cause. (even if they did, it would be iffy evidence without a warrant) and you don't want to stay.
that is being held against our will.



don't try to divert from the original matter. if a cop tries to trick you into searching your car, simply don't let him. it is your right.

My reply should show that our legal system is retarded.
A life sentence alone rarely means until they die. I think they have to do 15-20 years of it, but then can be paroled or other things can let them get out early.

Also I am not real sure who did what or if the death sentence was on the table, but most states don't allow the death penalty. However I would guess that this was done at the federal level which means it was on the table. Anyhow, yes this probably would have been death if not for him being disturbed.

I am just glad he actually got prison time as I thought all along this was going to be mental defect.

ideals? why are google flash ads screwing with my input box? oh... christians don't usually go around mocking, they prefer condemning people to hell, makes it easier to shun them.

That is bull.... way to cherry pick from their website. The section right below that says:

"God the Father

It is generally the Father, or Elohim, who is referred to by the title God. He is called the Father because he is the father of our spirits (Mal. 2:10; Num. 16:22; 27:16; Matt. 6:9; Eph. 4:6; Heb. 12:9). God the Father is the supreme ruler of the universe. He is all powerful (Gen. 18:14; Alma 26:35; D&C 19:1–3), all knowing (Matt. 6:8; 2 Ne. 2:24), and everywhere present through his Spirit (Ps. 139:7–12; D&C 88:7–13, 41). Mankind has a special relationship to God that sets man apart from all other created things: men and women are God’s spirit children (Ps. 82:6; 1 Jn. 3:1–3; D&C 20:17–18)."

Now I don't know anything about the spirit children stuff, that's a strange mormon thing, but none the less God is clearly divine.

God the Son

"The God known as Jehovah is the Son, Jesus Christ (Isa. 12:2; 43:11; 49:26; 1 Cor. 10:1–4; 1 Tim. 1:1; Rev. 1:8; 2 Ne. 22:2). Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. All mankind are his brothers and sisters, for he is the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Some scripture references refer to him by the word God. For example, the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but it was actually Jesus who was the Creator under the direction of God the Father (John 1:1–3, 10, 14; Heb. 1:1–2)."


Again, they refer to Jesus as God. Where they differ is the belief in the trinity, as they believe Jesus is a seperate entity from God the Father. Obviously, they have some very different views from mainline Christianity, but they none the less follow divine Christ.

Ok then. Mormons say they are christian. Christians say mormons are not christian. Enjoy.

Where in the statement that you claim proves that LDS do not believe that Christ is divine, does it actually say such?

you're not really sure what you're talking about ;)

LM: I really would like to know where you get your facts from? They are far fetched. Just sayin.

You can say that Mormonism is far from mainline Protestant faiths, but as they believe in Jesus Christ, I don't see how you can argue they aren't Christians. What is a Christian but a follower of Christ? Richard Nixon was a quaker, which I would say is less Christian than Mormonism as quakers aren't necessarily Christian.

I knew this was the next step from the Democrats. Sad.

If you had bothered to read, it shows plenty of quotes from official LDS texts that relate to their beliefs. Who cares who posted it or why, its all about what the LDS themselves say about their beliefs. Like, straight from their own scriptures:

" Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them."
http://www.lds.org/...ent/dc/132.20?lang=eng#19

"And then shall the angels be crowned with the glory of his might, and the saints shall be filled with his glory, and receive their inheritance and be made equal with him."
http://www.lds.org/...nt/dc/88.107?lang=eng#106

"Welcome to the Official Website of Utah Lighthouse™ Ministry,
founded by Jerald and Sandra Tanner.
The purpose of this site is to document problems with the claims of Mormonism and compare LDS doctrines with Christianity."

One person's website and word against others.....It is on the internet! So it has to be true.....

ROMNEY DID NOT SAY - AS LEFT-STATISTS SO STRONGLY WISH HE HAD - WHAT YOU SAY HE SAID. HE SAID HE'S NOT GOING TO GET THEIR VOTE, SO TRYING FOR IT WOULD BE A WASTED EFFORT (PARAPHRASING OF COURSE, BUT IT IS A LOT CLOSER TO WHAT HE SAID THAN HOW YOU CHARACTERIZED IT)

Should anyone have or find one, I would appreciate a link to a good fact check website covering last nights debate.

It is disconcerting for me how often lately I'll be able to offer a former employee some temporary work, only to be told "Well, I'll have to see if that will screw up my unemployment."

your arrogance is your downfall

a fun war is hitting the tag that pissed you off

looks to me like LCN accomplished that just fine

LCN members want this war more than anything.
pure happiness.
we all seem to hate you.
enjoy

Someone telling me "this is the word of god" (esp. with 10s of groups saying the same thing, none with any evidence to offer over the others) vs. someone telling me we have this theory here, all the current evidence supports it, if you find something contradicting it we'll adjust our beliefs. Which one sounds more logical?