You actually need to get the facts straight. I never got PDM into any drama or issues. The only issue we had in the 6or7 sets I was running things was with imag. They fs’d us out of the blue, and didn’t get the tag kill.

We later got payback with a tag kill on imag a set or 2 later.

I never made any decision without the full support of all members including putting larger decisions to a vote.

With regards to imag I was not in leadership, I had no say in anything except helping them out with netting advice. I joined imag instead of quitting as they were the first tag to open up a spot for me and even offered to try netting instead of warring. This I respected.

The situation this set wit requiem I had no part in. In fact being close with z and PS I detagged because I couldn’t be apart of any hostility towards ZPS who has been trying to recruit and offered me a home as well.

You need to stop spinning fluff, get over whatever jealousy you have of me cause it’s based on absolute rubbish.

I’ve been saying the same maki. You can’t code attitude fixes.

Remove bots, grow the player base everyone wins.

Some good suggestions by Tigress. The problem is that attitudes have gone so far that this game is a non PVP netting game now.

Players who want to war? Who do they war? How do they war without upsetting netters?

Thanks for confirming your an old fool trolling.

Maybe even blind to cause you don't read you just write, which makes you look silly.

You can talk to Detmer or LETO if you need confirmation. But Im guessing you won't do that either. Never in imag leadership, joined PDM and then earned the roll of leader. Considering you don't play anymore, I don't even know why your here... nobody else does either.

I'm going to leave you now, as its clearly a waste of time to type to someone who can't read, see or troll very well at all. GG

There is so much that needs to change if this game has a future.

We need to change our attitude towards this game. Across the board what this game actually is. Every single set this game has been moved towards no risk netting which in fact is killing the game. It gets tweaked to serve purpose for a small group of people and the rest have no reason to continue playing.

Any PVP actions are now frowned upon. ANY

- Remove the bots
- Make land either explored or grabbed like it used to be.
- Change your fluffing attitude towards this game. Bring back the fun. It used to be fun to exchange hits. Used to be a challenge to get 20k acres. It used to be FUN, now its jjust a toxic ceasepool.

Within the attitude change, everything changes.

Change the set finish awards.

Remove the restart bonus completely... its not needed at all. If you war, war. If you net and are suicided on, let you clan mates FA you back. Bring clans together, bring war people to war. Bring back the fun.

I can't work out if Archaic is an old fool or an old fool trolling me?

Recycling tags? How did i recycle PDM? I joined LETO as the 2nd member tagged for the set i joined. I stayed, i was highly active, I recruited PDM to 6 members then I was given the job of running PDM. I then recruited PDM to 6-8.

I reached out to Detmer and he gave me his blessing along with already having LETO's. So I'm not sure what your problem is but i never recycled nothing. One set after I stepped down its already down 50% of what I recruited it too. And I'm guessing soon it'll 'recycle' down to 1 or 2 before i joined.

You know if you put your energy you put into disliking me into real life activities I'm sure you'd find peace in your life. Here's hoping.

Z sorry to see you go brother.

The game is truly on an ice edge.

HaHa, this guy. Professional tool. I’m not in any way imag leadership or a tagged member.

I never recycled PDM I joined LETO as a second member in a set. I stayed, recruited and then due to activity was given the position.

Throughout all your whinging and issue with me I was given the blessing from Detmer himself.

So I’m just not sure what your issue is...

If you put the same effort you have with me into other areas of life I’m sure you’ll have positive ‘out of game’ experiences meaning you won’t need to be as toxic here..

It appears the hard-on archaic has for me is still in "effect". They must be serving viagra on tap at the retirement home where he resides.

Are you still hurt because I helped bring back your TAG from extinction? Are you upset because i took your tag from 1 man a set to 8/9 a set? Are you upset because after having blessing from actual PDM leadership to run things, you still didn't get involved?

Are you upset because after booting me without cause, having one set of dismal netting your tag is now going back into extinction?

Even though I've had nothing ever to do with Archaic I feel pleased knowing the answer to the above is 'all of the above'.

Terrible countries? What constitutes a terrible country?

60k acres, enough defence. Enough spies with spy and SDI tech. 215% Agri tech

55k farms, 4.5k rigs. 650k FPT 23k oil per turn.

And a good amount of stock??

Imag was versed in low end early set wars. Starting to learn the netting concept does require time.

I understand your pissed off, being suicided on sucks. I was hit for 6k acres without the ability to get it back.

If you want to discuss it further let’s DM.

I am not leadership anymore but you can have my country for assets if it helps you recover?

PS was down 60k acres first, and you're hit was a DH. You're recovering money.

Dude, why you hit that before PSscript can get their land back?

I can vouch for Skywise, he keeps his word. He didn't hide his past, and kept his word when told to tow the line when I was growing PDM and wanted to stay out of issues.

Trumpoz no idea why you thought it was fun to grab me for 6k acres. To what is your point?

Attitudes like that knowing you're going to be busy and just want to be a fluffwit to those who haven't done anything to you, unless you remove the war room and spy centre you won't stop that type of behaviour.

Its only against TOS if i post about someone elses country, not my own. I gave up on this set and the overall premise of the game within 2 weeks of the set.

He took 6k acres from me and he was dead before i could retal... YAY

The current set is tough for land targets, I was averaging 2k per day stopped at 60k. But a 6k hit is 3 days worth of work for me. No chance to retal.

Yayness.

I don't know another tag that did that as bad as LAF and consistently for years... I reference LAF because first hand starting many smaller tags over the course of 5 years we were bullied every single set by LAF and I can't remember others that did that. Not saying there wasn't others, but we seemed to retal others and that was fine. LAF would do Kill runs because a small tag retalled it was toxic. It was what ran me and about 10 others out of the game at the time.

Im sorry but I don't agree with any of these changes. The only way to truly code out to stop suciders is to remove the war room link...

You're trying to CODE a fix to peoples attitudes and emotions it will never do what you want it to do. I respect the devs alot for trying to do something but this isn't it.

Everyone needs to finally take responsibility for the state of the game. Neutons law is real here. There are no new players here so its the same people who have been griefed for years by the likes of LAF and others, now coming back and are able to inflict more damage due to the state of the game.

The game has evolved and we need to roll back alot of this fluff.

Netting now has become a pathetic excuse for skill. Hitting bots with NO RISK for over 300k acres... Running 300k countries with NO DEFENCE, NO sdi, no spy tech, and no spies... what is that? Is that skill? No its not.

LAF, RD, and others acted like complete fluffs to small tags and new players for years. Farming the absolute fluff outta people and never apologized for it.

Now those same players can cause alot more damage because netters run absolute pathetic excuses for countries. Running a 1b finish with only jets, no def tech and no spies.. really. Thats not cool.

PVP interaction is now frowned upon... what is that? Its a WAR GAME....

We need to change our view on this game completely... You keep saying with regards to defense that you cannot stop every single grab, sure you can't be invoke your retal policy then...

Bring back the respect to this game. Apologize to those who have been griefed and lets constructively move forward together.

REMOVE the bots and most players won't get above 30k acres. Bring back the skill with players needing to hold defence, tech levels and keeping spies.

A top finish never used to be over 200m nw and if you do the above the same will apply.

Bring back the skill to this game, remove the bots and I guarantee everyone will fall back in love with this game...

I wouldn't go that far mate a good bukake is pretty HARD to beat hahah a

he'll win the total number of members award... quite easily..

He is also the current winner in terms of recruiting new members?

I'm fairly certain those who do it, do it to be fluffwits, period. They don't have areas in their live they can exercise that inner 'naughty' person so they come here and consider it a safe place to be a fluffwit...

How is everyone?

What is the state of play at the moment? The game appears to be in a holding pattern or stand off where everyone is just netting peacefully? Nobody warring, everyone just netting (like it or not) and dealing with suiciders?

who is Neil?

I LOVE how this went from a recruitment post to a post about virtual BJS...

Gerdler it's not hard to see why people leave.

People come, enjoy the game (net or war) and I think the game would have pretty decent retention rate. The issue is that those who want to net in peace can't and those who want to war, can't do it without pissing off netters.

Like I keep saying putting in effort to fix a game with these small numbers is crazy. (Again no offense intended for those trying to help).

I don't think the issues that exist today would exist with 1000+ real players and bots...

I am forming a WAR clan for next set. Those who wish to join or those who wish to arrange a war can DM me here.

http://gph.is/1JeeMG4

Cheers,

MrCuban

I do not want to take anything away from those who contribute to this game.

I do feel however that the changes and focus of any attention when taking about helping this game are on keeping this game alive instead of actually moving it forward into ‘growth’.

A lot of the issues we are talking about now only facilitate the current tiny player base.

I would guess most of these issues are solved naturally with a larger player base.

There is no variety in the game in its current size which means old player grudges and suiciders have more impact..

Add in more players and all of a sudden those who want to war can war and those who want to net can net.

What you can’t code is a fix to ‘people’s poor attitudes without affecting those who contribute positively to the game.

rather then focus on fixing negative behaviour we should create positive
Opportunities for game growth and naturally I believe these hyper close issues will resolve themselves.

cuckoo....

I was never give the MEMO about the bot names, even though I have contributed positively to this game. That is my mistake about the bot names I guess, I've been in MD, PDM, Imag and others and never known about the bot list (damb this is a small community). The countries I grab usually have been grabbed by others so I assume they are bots.

LS you're well within your rights to retaliate against the offending country. My opinion here which doesn't mean squat is that both parties should walk away. LS you can still get a half decent finish, and imag doesn't need to put effort into killing a player who adds value to the game.

Again just my opinion.

Not trying to stir the pot at all here but I think context is important here, and please correct me if i am wrong...

1. IHeadbanger (#57) (Imag) does 10 landgrabs on #427. At this point I am assuming #57 thinks its a bot country and rightly does landgrabs. At this point its fair to assume #427 is a bot and fair game. It does not matter if 10 land grabs is not effective, if its a bot it only impacts #57 if its inefficient? right? Elders also grabbed this country so the bot assumption is fair.

2. At this point LS isn't sure if he is even going to play this set, but logs in and see's his country hit 10x and decides hes now interested in playing.

3. LS #427 then does 11 AB's and 1 Nuke on #57.

4. #57 then does 10 ss landgrabs and 2 CM missiles which leads us to where we are now.


What is missing here is any communication between both parties... throughout the above.

If #427 was an actual bot nobody would care that someone grabs 10x. At this point its fair to assume this is a bot or suicider, thats just the game now. #427 was grabbed by Elders, and even after this all happened SOL grabbed this country as well. (failed). This country would have been grabbed by anyone rightfully so.

So the issue isn't that he was grabbed 10x, 10x on a bot whilst silly, not affecting anyone. The issue is that its 10x on an untagged country, on alliance server that was assumed a bot country and rightfully so.

What should have happened at this point before #427 AB's and nukes, is a simply chat to say hey im actually untagged... and this might have been different. Some reps could have been paid, but #427 also needs to take responsility for his position as an untagged, on alliance server.. with ZERO grabs. bots do not grab and untagges on this server usually grab other bots to say 'IM NOT A BOT'.

#427 responds with 11ab's and a nuke and then we are here...

Correct if wrong. In my opinion this is a walk away from both parties...

I agree you need help.

The current state of the server does not allow for legit players to play untagged. Gogy used to be able to do it well, but now untagged are literally bots or suiciders... It's just the way it is now.

What am i reading...

I’m average at this game across the board.

Happy to war or net.

*finished top 25 total nw many times but I do not believe I am top 25 netter.

I’m active, like long walks on the beach. Got leadership & recruitment experience.

Happy to follow orders, I will not contribute to this toxic suiciding or blindsiding.

Post here or slide up in dms

For once this clown actually says something I can agree with...

Nothing wrong with a good Bukkake

Probably because of this:

2019-10-01 21:46:05 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 2536A (2706A)
2019-10-01 21:46:02 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 3289A (3608A)
2019-10-01 21:46:00 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 4249A (4731A)
2019-10-01 21:45:57 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 5516A (6239A)
2019-10-01 21:45:51 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 7295A (8371A)
2019-09-30 22:14:42 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 6842A (7327A)
2019-09-30 22:14:38 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 8247A (8935A)
2019-09-30 22:14:34 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 9959A (11013A)
2019-09-30 22:14:28 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 10339A (11879A)
2019-09-30 22:14:07 PS hung like chihuahua (#127) Predictably Savage (#384) PScript 10780A (14159A)

There you go Marshall reach out to ZPS... :)

This fluff hurts the fragile player base.

fluff me how do you handle 45k acres? Thats just poor form. #384 with tiny defense?

Hellrush you need more activities in your life. Perhaps consider taking a break from the game, come back refreshed and less toxic.

Its on?

ttt

Doesn't mean I don't check back in everynow and then. :P

This best not be directed at me, or the outpost of PDM I ran for last 9 sets or so..

Your PDM I joined had a recurring 1 or 2 members with minimal turn running. I never asked for leadership, I was active and recruited to 6-8 every set and the position fell on me.

Leto was there the whole time and had detmers blessing so you must be referring to another time in PDM’s history where there were actual ‘imposters’ as you say.

It's the fluffING CATALINA WINE MIXER!!!

Congrats dude! Not sure if its your first child or another addition but children certainly give perspective on whats truly important. :)

I just want to thank everyone who has reached out or posted kind words, it's come as quite a shock given the toxic nature of almost every single engagements I've had on AT in the past few years.

I don't want to keep bashing the game, as its not the game itself. I think what started as egos 15 years ago and over the time has turned into grudges, hatred and toxicity that I think has been festering for many many years but only now reached boiling point and exploding on every post, on every thread.

I have so many great memories of this game, as a 15 year I actually use to fluffing get excited to login to this game. See if any new members had applied to my tag, see who was hitting who. See who had hit my tag to see if there was any of that work to be done. Jumping into the forums back then to see massive wars going on it was exciting. It was a text game but there was just something that i was attracted to. One of my best mates was an apparent big deal on UTOPIA, he got me playing utopia but for some reason it never clicked with me. I saw earth and the rest was history, i was instantly hooked on the game and my GF at the time was hot as fluff and I'd still be sitting on the computer and shed ask what are you doing... Id say playing a war strategy game and she'd say but there is no game.. its just text. I'd say I know its hard to explain... fluff..

Back then there were thousands of countries, I was naive to think people actually cheated and ran multiple countries. I never even thought to do that, the rules said 1 country per player and that was that. It was thrilling, you'd look at the country list to make a grab and there was so much possibility. Could I recruit this tag to 10 members, 20 , 50 even? I'd do my research on a country to hit, then jump into the "WAR ROOM". Damb it was business time. I remember with those farming the fluff out of small tags getting past 5k in land was tough yet exciting at the same time.

Anyways, I guess I post this because its actually sad for me. In the past 15 years we've all gotten married, had kids, divorced, re married, bought houses, bought businesses, and yet this game has still been here.

When i say the game needs to be switched off, I realised I was playing out of habit. Even though the spark had long gone, I was playing out of habit and the day to day running a tag, checking AT is toxic and depressing. And I'm not even in the middle of the worst of this fluff. I can see the writing on the wall with war / netters and dwindling player numbers there isn't really enough to keep the game functional for both types of play. You can see it now its literally server war or server net, they cannot continue together.

I don't say this stuff our of disrespect, I say it because habits are hard to break but we all just need to take a break. 6 months clean, everyone still can chat with their members and community. Most like PDM we already do.... Grudges need time to heal, people need a break from the toxic comments, threats, the hate that you can feel in the posts, it needs to happen and I truly hope for everyone it does.

Thanks again for the kind words, it's been one hell of a ride.
MrCuban

Guys this thread wasn't to make another Karnage / sof vs LAF thread. I'm not blaming anyone in particular. The current events made the decision. But in the end everyone is to blame including myself. The problems that are here have been festering for 10 + years. People bullied others into playing a certain style and forced people to leave. They may come back but its been the same since the start. I remember playing in earth2025 probably 15 years ago now and trying to run a tag and getting bullied and farmed to fluff as a small tag. Like relentlessly and even as a 15 year old sending messages to LAF asking them to stop. And it would only increase. (Not ragging on LAF as ive had a great exprience with them past few years).

The grudges, attitudes and egos have been here for decades. As people have left the grudges have remained. What is happening now is that people care ALOT less now than they did. So people's issues are at boiling point now.

There is much accusations about cheating, mod abuse, IRL threats, people wishing death and sickness on others. It's just toxic. And the game has not evolved at all.

If you net with low defense your asking to be suicided.
If you net with high defense you can't compete.
If you play solo you are killed because you don't deserve to survive playing on alliance without a tag
If you play as a small tag you are farmed and don't deserve to grow (since bots this is less an issue)
If you grab a juicy country bigger than you in land (you are killed because you top feed).
If you grab a country smaller than you, you are bottom feeding and are suicided on

There is very little you can do now without upsetting someone somehow. Most players are triggered and this is not healthy.

I'll be honest, I was one of the weird people who actually used to LOVE this game. Text game and all. I'd wake up middle of the night fluff to login and see whats happening.

I used to love coming on AT for the drama, but it was fun.