It's been a while. Records updated.

4th all time highest republic NW
4. 146,300,000 NW (Round 33 - No Risk No Gain #45) - h2o

New entrant to 125M NW club
5. 146,300,000 NW (Republic, Round 33 - No Risk No Gain #45) - h2o

New entrants to 100M NW club
25. 117,246,539 NW (Communism, Round 31 - MacXGee #1) - Ka Mac
34. 114,888,875 NW (Communism, Round 31 - EEVIL WAR MACHINE #32) - Serpentor
62. 108,449,994 NW (Communism, Round 33 - EEVIL WAR MACHINE #9) - Serpentor
87. 103,747,895 NW (Communism, Round 31 - Mysidia #7) - Toran Republic
105. 101,056,508 NW (Communism, Round 32 - Pretty Hate Machine #1) - now im nothing

Winners updated
Round 33 - h2o (No Risk No Gain #45, Republic Casher, 146.3M NW)
Round 32 - now im nothing (Pretty Hate Machine #1, Commie Indy, 101.1M NW)
Round 31 - Ka Mac (MacXGee #1, Commie Indy, 117.2M NW)

100/125/150M NW club updated
Biggest increase in rank - h2o (+4 from 14th to 10th)
Biggest decrease in rank - multiple, refer to list (-2 from 29th to 31st)

Congratulations!

Just dropping by to say hello =P

Records updated.

New entrant to 100M NW club
68. 107,500,000 NW (Democracy, Round 30 - Better than Xinhuan #3) - LATC

Round 30 winner - LATC (Better than Xinhuan #3, Demo Farmer/Oiler Hybrid, 107.5M NW)

100/125/150M NW club ranking updated!
Biggest increase in rank - none
Biggest decrease in rank - aqua (moving down 1 rank to 11th)

Congratulations!

there you go, I was right =)

With just 3+ days left, I don't think any commie will break 100M. We'll see.
Only 1 person looking like he/she will crack 100M based on what I see, but I could be wrong since I'm not playing and haven't paid attention this set.

Anyway just dropping by to say hello =P happy new year everyone!

I was 40722 acres at this point last set (turn 1775), cashing $23m/turn (18.8m/turn non cashing), both after expenses.
175% bus/res, 118% mil strat, 130% weap, 95% military. (~2M tech points).
19.5M NW, 6.4m jets, 11.4m turrets.

not sure if I was running low def, I don't think so but you can compare...at turn 1162, I had 2.4m jets and 3.7m turrets.

yeah, spend an extra 2 seconds a day to copy and paste your stats page into a spreadsheet.

38.6 days left in the set...
$118 average jets/turrets price last 2 weeks
bus/res dropped from $3000 to $1900 in the last 10 days.
oil barrel has been about $100-$150/barrel in the last 10 days.
food's about $40/bushel average last 10 days.

Comparing the same time frame from last set:
jets/turrets were slightly cheaper last set (~$110); bushels was cheap ($36); barrels were already $200; bus/res tech were about $2300.
Can't really decide if it's better to run a casher last set or this set. Both are favourable for cashers, but maybe I will say this set is better ($19xx tech vs $23xx tech is definitely a huge plus).

At first glance, it looks like a casher's set but farmer definitely has a shot if food price remains >$40.

And if anyone wants a comparison on how they are doing, here're my turn 1162 rep casher stats from last set, which corresponds to right about now for this set:

Land: 19741 acres
NW: 6.9M
BPT: 105
Tech: 167% bus/res, 110% mil strat, 115% weapon
Income: $8.4m/turn non cashing, $10.4m/turn cashing

well, the optimization comes pretty natural to me. I've been inclined towards doing such work my whole life (inside and outside of this game). Once you understand the game, you can form the objective function relatively easily to optimize. The efforts put in to get an optimized country definitely is not as high as you think it is. I usually spend 10-15 min running my turns everyday in primary (check my past sets eestats LG timings). The only checks I do, with a spreadsheet, is to determine when I should stop grabbing/if I should continue exploring/if I should get more tech/what I should be stocking. Like I said, once you know how to do it, you can do it very fast.



heh, not entirely. I still won, but not with a record NW and I still blame you for doing what you did =( Sure, you are entitled to do what you want and I respect that but it was just a fluff move. So, yes I'm a grumpy oldman like what silentwolf said. But it doesn't matter at the end of the day since it's just a game. Playing this game for so many years actually trained me in anger management and allowed me see all the different kind of people who exist in this world, heh.

pretty sure someone got a kill last set or the set before last...the target country was inactive for like 10 days or something though.

what? that's arrogant? try this for arrogance...

<arrogance mode ON>
I've won 8 out of the 18 sets I've completed.
I was teching 4 out of those 18 sets which meant I started out not having any chance to challenge for a win. I fought a war in one of the other sets too. That would mean I had won 8 out of 13 sets that I actually tried to win, which is 61.5%. Well, nobody wins their first ever set in EE, so I should remove my first ever set in EE primary from this statistics, that means 8 wins out of 12 sets that I tried to win, which is 67%.

So by not playing this set, everyone's winning probability likely doubled or maybe tripled =P

yeah, take that!

<arrogance mode OFF>

Now, don't suicide on me next time when I play again =P I promise I won't be arrogant again.

heh, fixed...too tired yesterday while posting.

Records updated.

4th all time highest tyranny NW
4. 57,961,300 NW (Round 29 - Granseal #136) - SkyKing

New entrant to 125M NW club
11. 138,286,698 NW (Republic, Round 29 - Secretly Quietly and Discretely #113) - oldman

New entrants to 100M NW club
28. 116,726,707 NW (Democracy, Round 29 - To The Top #20) - Xinhuan
41. 113,160,697 NW (Communism, Round 29 - do you eat the chickens butt #34) - crius
92. 102,086,187 NW (Democracy, Round 29 - Optimus Prime #51) - crest23
100. 100,977,345 NW (Democracy, Round 29 - Yes Way #22) - eManny

Round 29 winner - oldman (Secretly Quietly and Discretely #113, Republic Casher, #138.3M NW)

100/125/150M NW club ranking updated!
Biggest increase in rank - eManny +1 (from 13th to 12th)
Biggest decrease in rank - none

Congratulations to all!

So nobody is going to own up to running chicken butt?

So I left at least 25M NW on the table this set.

The 1st intentional grab by edfjr took away $5.8m/turn cashing for my remaining 620 turns (including 32 PCI booms). That's worth about $4b (~15M NW). Adding that to the direct NW lost from the grab (due to military/land/buildings/tech/money lost), the total NW lost from the grab was about 17.5M NW.

The 2nd grab was a retal (thanks viva). I would have likely avoided this if the 1st one didn't happen. I didn't really bother too much with my country after the 1st grab.
This 2nd grab took away about $3.9m/turn cashing for my remaining 230 turns (including 16 PCI booms). Thats worth about $1b (~3.9M NW). The direct losses from the grab amounted to ~2.3M NW, bringing the total impact of this grab to 6.2M NW.

I was almost 18% smaller after these 2 grabs, and that affected my optimal destocking timing. This impact is more difficult to quantify, so let's just say maybe 2M nw difference from the suboptimal destocking. Adding all of that to my finishing NW would have put me over 165M NW (which would be a new record!).

Unfortunately, these are all hindsight and as you know hindsight is 20/20. At least I still got the win =P

This will be my last primary set in a while. So adios!

I will do Xin a favour...

1 Secretly Quietly and Discretely (#113) 61,135 $138,286,698 RG - oldman
2 To The Top (#20) 56,561 $116,726,707 DG - Xinhuan
3 do you eat the chickens butt (#34) 56,738 $113,160,697 CG - crius
4 Optimus Prime (#51) 57,677 $102,086,187 DG - crest23
5 Yes Way (#22) 29,870 $100,977,345 DG - eManny
6 Justice of Toren (#45) 36,041 $96,088,803 RG - Getafix
7 Mysidia (#8) 42,295 $82,190,182 CG - Toran Republic
8 RIP in piece deezy (#60) 34,159 $74,966,144 DG - deezyboy
9 MacXGee (#55) 50,624 $70,571,137 DG - Ka Mac
10 fearvendor (#129) 42,393 $70,567,186 RG - fearvendor

11 If My Mind Puts Me To It (#100) 40,138 $67,846,170 CG - now im nothing
12 Enterprise NX01 (#33) 25,009 $67,255,837 DG - silentwolf
13 DeLpHiNuS (#96) 46,628 $64,805,295 CG - DeLpHiNuS
14 LilAzNThatCould (#17) 28,858 $63,059,538 IG - LATC
15 Granseal (#136) 18,887 $57,961,300 T - Skyking
16 Shev (#253) 35,205 $57,271,788 RG - shev
17 Land of Earl (#110) 23,982 $56,631,337 DG - Kevro
18 Rahr and Sons (#58) 40,100 $56,047,591 DG - Viceroy
19 Omar Devone Little (#121) 43,553 $51,024,842 CG - Assassin
20 Vheissu (#2) 36,892 $50,822,448 DG - blid

21 Learning to be Zod (#190) 21,310 $44,548,540 DG - ??
22 How Did That Happen (#140) 21,282 $42,679,376 DG - ??
23 Half Man Half Amazing (#219) 19,294 $40,904,727 RG - Apoc
24 eManny said Go Commie Indy (#159) 32,045 $40,072,132 CG - ingle
25 76 (#1) 36,465 $40,043,748 IG - ??

Please fill in the blanks.

looks like 3 at the moment though...but another 37 mins to go.

well, this set is down the drain with so many people fighting (with reasons or without).

5 people over 100M NW will be my prediction.
We would have maybe 8 or 9 before all those fluff happened.

I thought tech market was pretty decent..it was an average tech market, relative to most other sets.

Taking business tech for example, these are the prices from this set and last set from different days:

Day 10: $2450/$2450 (this set/last set)
Day 20: $2250/$2150
Day 30: $2050/$1950
Day 40: $1800/$2000
Day 50: $1350/$1800
Day 55: $900/$800

They are pretty similar except for period between day 40-50. Last set's techer made more for the first 40 days and then less between day 40-50 compared to this set. The only difference came in terms of military prices (which were lower this set compared to last i.e. there were many days of sub $100 military, which made growth faster for everyone). Turrets price for example never really got to below $120 the whole of last set. Faster growth for everyone likely meant more tech demand, so it held up the tech market. It was win-win for everyone (except maybe for commies).

In terms of food prices, this set's peak was about $45 while last set was $50.
When did food rise above $40? - day 28/day 30 (last set/this set)
When did food peak? - day 37 @ $50/day 32 to 47 @ 44/45
Amount of food that can be stocked by techers in both set probably do not differ by much.
The food price decline for last set was much slower than this set, for reasons which I will not be explaining in this post. This meant an easier destock for techer last set compared to this one.

Oil price was much higher this set than the last. But unless a techer stops grabbing way too late, this probably doesn't really affect them.

So in conclusion:
tech prices - relatively average
military prices - lower than usual
food prices - good for stocking, but bad for destocking this set
oil prices - immaterial if you're a decent fast grabbing and early stocking techer

So I rate this as an average tech set. But that's just my opinion.

Bonus =)

Guys, come on. Look past this DR crap you are discussing. That's not the point here. Who cares about DR? I'm taking issue with the fact that he hit me deliberately because his set is ruined.

I asked him why he did it and his reply was "just spreading the love". And when i told him he just took away my 150m finish, his reply was "i sure did".

The grab was ill intentioned and he wouldn't have done it if he wasn't hit by #19 and #66.

Edfjr: you didn't even have a shot at top3 fyi before those hits. I hope you didn't think you had a shot at winning before you got ruined, and that's why you did what you did (deliberately taking it out on the best looking country).

So is anyone going to own up and claim that you run puffy cheeks? That was a douche move.

An earthquake occurred destroying 834 buildings!

yay!

SkyKing: You jumped with about 16 days left in the set, which is too early (at least for this set; optimal changes each set). Your optimal move would likely have been the following:
a) tech for another 5 days (8.5k tpt including allies*5 days*$1800*94% gives you another $4b)
b) You would jump with about 11 days left in the set and probably at about 21-22m NW at this point. Place all your food on sale on the public market; put 1/4 of all your military and tech on sale for high prices; and convert to a theocracy. You will lose about 25% of your NW from this switch in government but you get a cheaper private market ($222/nw)
c) I'm assuming you had about $7b to jump from 20m to 50m assuming $230/nw from the public market and maybe still have $1b left. Add that to the $4b you get from teching 5 extra days, you will have about $12b to spend after your bushels sell (being conservative here and assuming you sell your bushels at no gain or loss; could be either way depending on market prices). $12b will get you about 53M nw from your PM over a period of about 8 days.
d) resell for the last 3 days or so.

Starting NW prior to jump: 21M NW
NW after conversion to theocracy: 15.75M NW (assumes 25% loss, should be less)
NW after jumping from PM for 8 days: 15.75 + 53 = 68.75M NW
NW after reselling for last 3 days = ~70M NW (assumes a gain of about 500k/day from reselling)

That should probably be at least 10M higher than what you are going to finish I believe.

the 2nd turn of my PS - An earthquake occurred destroying 801 buildings!
the very next turn after my PS - our people demand a tax rebate, lowering tax revenues this turn!
3 turns into rebuilding - A drought occurred severely impacting food production!

Just wanted to share my frustration.

hmmm 66k bus/res on sale for $5000. Some demo is up to no good heh.

yeah, noob-like!
how can someone fail a grab at this stage? lol

$600 oil, damn demo resellers.

heh, 9 day kill run. awesome.

bonus!

detective Sherlocks blid at work...where's Watson?

I'm upset the player said he's better than Xinhuan and not oldman...means I'm not good enough to be referenced =(

For that reason alone, I say bust him up!

<--- better than Xinhuan

bonus post =)

Updated for round 53 and 54.

5th all time highest NW for Republic (Round 19 onwards)
5. 36,982,648 NW (Round 54 - Always Rep Casher #28)

4th all time highest NW for Democracy (Round 19 onwards)
4. 32,216,194 NW (Round 54 - LearnersPermit #59)

New entrant into 35M NW club (Round 19 onwards)
6. 36,982,648 NW (Republic, Round 54 - Always Rep Casher #28)

New entrants into 30M NW club (Round 19 onwards)
3. 34,826,460NW (Republic, Round 54 - a Mama Said is a monkey #1)
17. 32,216,194 NW (Democracy, Round 54 - LearnersPermit #59)

Winner Round 54 - Always Rep Casher (#28) - rep casher
Winner Round 53 - LearnersPermit (#25) - demo ??

Congratulations!

No i don't expect you to know who's who. But grabbing people who can retal isn't always the best move. But then again, maybe you really thought they can't retal, in which case then maybe your understanding of the game may need to be improved.

Vic, you grabbed xin and then serp lol. That's 5000 acres to be lost some time in the future. Your finish certainly looks bleak.

send a nice message asking him or her to stop. it works most of the time.

Dear diary,

The market went crazy today. $750 SO for oil and bushels hit $300! Someone must be reselling and trying to make a killing. I'm not sure how much profit he can make at this point of the game. He is most likely a techer (can't imagine farmer or indy having spare cash to fool around before today; and cashers should be growing and not reselling) and he might have made some money off this, but he probably ended up screwing himself over since now he has to stock $45 bushels instead of $35 ones. And to whoever sold those $1000 tech today, thanks! I bought them up.

oldman

if you have some spare cash, reselling is always good. But is the profits more worth it than investing in more tech which will help you in the long run? I doubt so. And the chance of pulling off a neat profit from reselling is also not 100%. I would chose something more certain (investing the spare cash in tech that certainly helps you in the long run) than to gamble for a resale profit.

threaten Xin that you will RoR!

Dear Diary,

I think people should start building oil rigs soon. Prices hit $200 in the last 72 hours. And we're just past the 2 weeks mark of the set.

- oldman

Do be aware of the inherent assumptions made when you use the formula Xin posted above. The optimal BPT is 100 if you want to build 40k acres (non theo) in the least number of turns. And what does that mean? It means you spend the first 380 turns of the set building CS to get to 100 BPT. Then building 40k acres will take you the least number of total turns (spent on CS + building the 40k acres).

But in reality, we don't do this. We grow in size and build some CS each day. As such, optimal BPT changes everyday.

Take for example you would like to get to 50k acres.
You started your day at 10k acres and 70 bpt. Your optimal BPT to build the remaining 40k acres in the smallest number of turns is 100 BPT (based on the formula Xin posted earlier). You then proceed to spend your turns and manage to get to 11k acres and 73 bpt. The optimal BPT has to be recalculated again and this time round your optimal BPT becomes 99 (rounded up). So what it means is that you may have calculated an optimal bpt of 100 initially, but that number will drop after a while. Key takeaway should be to re-evaluate your optimal BPT everyday and stop building CS once you hit that BPT target.

Well, if you look at countries which finished with more than 1M nw (active players), things aren't so bad.

Set 11: 347 players
Set 12: 285
Set 13: 295
Set 14: 323
Set 15: 323
Set 16: 331
Set 17: 328
Set 18: 322
Set 19: 287
Set 20: 279
Set 21: 302
Set 22: 261
Set 23: 231
Set 24: 266
Set 25: 250
Set 26: 233
Set 27: 209
Set 28: 202

It's more like a 33% drop (300 to 200).

intel's taken. still need a def =)

I still need allies. Please pm me if you are sure you can finish top20 =)

no one needs tech allies for tech start?

I'm fine with late retals. It's part of the game. Can't stop someone who wants to make you pay for initiating the offence.
I will (sometimes) also do late retals myself.

And also, Xin just burnt blid lol.