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May 2nd 2012, 17:01:38

Originally posted by ingle:
Most of the top 10 are probably consistently the same group of skilled players each set. There are probably only a handful (maybe 50~ if even?) primary players capable of a t10 finish (also depending on the strategy, market, suicides, laziness, etc...). Assuming 50 players are capable of top 10, you have a 20% chance to get in.

As skilled players increases (ie. those coming in from Alliance or with netting experience), then it will just be harder to make it in since everyone is contending for the same spots.


thank you for elaborating. Maybe people will understand it better this way.

t10 spots = fixed or constant
skilled players capable = variable

if # of skilled players capable = x
then your chances of getting t10(assuming equal skills) would be

10/x

*waits for crest to come in and start another argument about everyone has different skills and luck factor in picking strats/market/etc...
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May 2nd 2012, 16:52:23

Originally posted by crest23:
If you have the exact same skilled players next set but 10k ppl played, it would still be tough to get top 10. If you dropped the player base to 500 and removed half the skilled players, it owuld be easier to get into the top 10.


so you are just proving my point. But thanks for rewording my statements so you can feel like you're right :)
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May 2nd 2012, 16:50:01

Originally posted by crest23:
tduong is just a useful idiot that makes a whole lotof not very well thought out statements. tduong, do you even know what the topic of this discussion is? It is about the difficulty in staying top 10. It is NOT about the higher NWs of recent, you fluffing moron!

You want statistics? SPECIFIC and GENERAL? Look at Tourny game A. Why is it that the 10th place finisher has a high chance of winning the lower games with his net? Is it because of the large number of players in game A (usually around or less that 40 while the lower game hover around WAAAAAAY more, around 80 players) or is it because of the skills of the players in game A? You are my useful idiot.

Originally posted by jedioda:
Gdi, bonus, and number of players are good reasons for the increase nw. But it doesn't explain why it is more difficult to stay at top: reason is skill increase


Case closed!


Crest result to personal insults because his thoughts are always clouded by emotions
No one here is disagreeing with the original topic. The discussion had been about blid's question after that.

Crest you are the idiot. The way game A is set up. They let the top players out of every game to be in game A. So yes, a game with entirely higher skilled players will result in higher nw. You also conveniently forgot to mention that the market is shared between game a,b, and c. A bigger market will generally increase overall nw.
So if you compared game A to game b/c, even crest has to agree that game b and c is less skilled which will result in lower networth than game A.
The other big difference between tourney and primary is the % of land explored. You can be all explore or mostly explored and get to the top10 while that is impossible in primary. This is due to # of turns. That means that the # of players in tourney still plays a role in increasing nw but a smaller role than primary because of the combined market.

Of course, it's a very crestful thing to do to change the scenario to his favor.
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May 2nd 2012, 16:35:38

higher skilled players increased is resulted from higher overall # of players and a variable factor that one good player might bring in more good players.

Also, you can't ignore the players that have improved.

But i think the real answer to why being in t10 is harder is because T10 ranks is fixed at 10 spots while # of players varies depending on set
If you look at it from a different perspective, You are still in the top 2% of players. You are still on top and doing as well as other sets. Now, there's just more people in your level fighting for the same amount of spots.
Overall, avg skill has probably only increased by a small margin. We just have a larger sample size.
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May 2nd 2012, 15:26:29

Originally posted by blid:
Wow calm down man. I'm just saying, last set, 9 of the top 10 is 100m, and that's with 940 players. Meanwhile round ten had 966 players, and only four players in 100m. Round eleven had 892 players, pretty comparable, and only two players in 100m. I am certain that having a bigger pool of players helps the top finishers as the land "trickles up," that's common sense, but I am not convinced that's the main reason the last two sets have had so many high finishers. In general, yes, it increases networth, but specifically, the last two rounds, I think may be because of more "top" players participating.


wow, you're still confused about general vs specific.

In general, more countries = higher nw

In every set there is a specific event that can cause the outcome to somewhat deviate from the average or normal expectations. That specific event in one reset is considered a variable in the overall samples, which is all resets observed.

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May 2nd 2012, 14:59:47

Originally posted by blid:
Originally posted by tduong:
the # of countries increased.

more countries = more target to LG = more land created
more countries = bigger market
I considered that but look at this round:
http://primary.www.earthempires.com/topplayers?round=7

Maybe the biggest ever but scores were not high then like they are now. Maybe that was before the bonus system, or just an exception to the rule. Hopefully the game keeps growing


the example you put is actually in line with what i was saying. You just forgot one thing, look at all the resets before that. They all seem to have low net probably due to the fact that they didn't have the bonus points systems.
If you look at the round right after that, average net jumps up incredibly high and every set after that too. That is probably because the bonus was introduced at that time. You also see commies started to dominate after that round.

Sometimes, i feel like you and crest just argue to be right regardless of what's in front of you. Crest is just really bad at it.
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May 2nd 2012, 14:54:06

yes blid GENERALLY!!!

statistic is based on observations of data in GENERAL!

In other words, you can say the mean or average and sometimes even median.

If you flip a coin 100 times. In general, you should get close to 50/50 heads and tails
But there are times where you can get up to 100/0.

"But maybe it's true in general, just not strictly always"
NO fluff!!! that's like me saying the average height may be 5'9" but I'm 6ft tall.
Don't be a crest! You don't have to want to be right that bad. It's not cool!
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May 2nd 2012, 14:32:13

it's not my reasons. It's just an statistical observation.

The whole certain strategy dominates thing is just luck of the draw. You pick a strat to play at the start. If that strat has the lower % of countries than usual then you will most likely do better because of the market prices being favorable to you.

That has little to do with the higher actual avg nw overall.
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May 2nd 2012, 14:24:31

polo!
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May 2nd 2012, 14:05:46

generally, more countries results in higher avg nw for the top 100 countries. Look at see for yourself

Of course more players means that there will also be more good players which will push nw up even higher.

Yes, the bonus points helps with nw a lot especially the expense bonus as my country has experienced 0 stockpiling so far and still passed 110m nw.

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May 2nd 2012, 13:50:01

the # of countries increased.

more countries = more target to LG = more land created
more countries = bigger market
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May 2nd 2012, 13:35:59

+1

yeah, he's been stocking for some time. He will surely beat me.
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May 2nd 2012, 13:17:49

yeah 100m used to guarantee top 5 or even win. Now it might not be enough for t10 :(
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May 2nd 2012, 12:42:02

Originally posted by blid:
my top 5 prediction
(X)m crown of the valley (#31)
(X-4)m March 17 2012 (#226)
121m Chipotle makes you fat (#298)
117m Planetary (#249)
115m Welcome back (#62)


i think i can get that last day resell and get 120m because my pm is so big :)

But then again, jack has been burning up quite a bit of nw for me too :(
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May 2nd 2012, 2:44:43



i'm not afraid of tanks unless you have over $1bil on hand with it. I'm more afraid of missiles because i cannot keep 70+% sdi all set.

I will LG you knowing you could retal me. I will send you a warning message also. If you retal, and you probably have to blow your stock just to do it once, I will farm you. The only way to prevent that is having a lot of missiles. I can buy more tanks in 1 day than you could in 3 days.

I could've farmed you and more than likely gain 20k acres in a few days if no one else jumps in. You might've been able to retal me with only 1 PS and that's it. The only reason for that would be because my def allies barely boost my defense. But I could've countered that by cashing 1 day and buy up another 12mil turrets which leaves your only defense/counter against me being the 3 missiles you had.

Consider yourself lucky i changed my mind.
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May 2nd 2012, 2:04:20

Originally posted by braden:
yes, for all of tduong saying i was the best target available.. nobody attacked me.. i think i lost 352 acres ALL RESET :)


you did not become a good target until you passed 20k acres. I'm 100% sure if I LG'd you, 3 more would've hit you within the next 2 days. Every set, there's always a number of people who does follow up hits instead of being the first one. It doesn't give you maximum gains but it lowers their possibilities of being retal'd
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May 2nd 2012, 1:13:08

doesn't work for me :(
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May 2nd 2012, 0:11:34

i told him to create account and post on here so i can pm him and help him with his country.
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May 1st 2012, 23:54:42

Originally posted by crest23:
I was referring to his statement that he is still winning. It's too easy to dump on him when he trolls all over the place making asinine statements.


delusional..i've never done such things

this nigerian is having nightmares right now
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May 1st 2012, 23:53:44

crest is in his crazy mind thinking everyone should be like him again.

First of all, i didn't intend to win and it's obvious i didn't play to win.

Second, i only want to beat my own records. This one being highest net without stockpile like i've stated several times already during the entire reset and last reset.

Third, many of you have said i can't net and i've proven to be able to net and play my own way at the same time. My way of playing that many players and especially crest hates so much.
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May 1st 2012, 22:21:24

polo!
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May 1st 2012, 22:18:00

don't worry blid, crest is just being himself again
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May 1st 2012, 19:36:37

it's up so who cares :)
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May 1st 2012, 19:35:23

hmm whatever!
I've made massive mistakes all set and still winning! :)
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May 1st 2012, 19:08:51

i didn't know that :(

oh well. It's not meant for me to win

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May 1st 2012, 18:42:50

i have a habit of cashing 10 turns when i only have 8 turns worth of food
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May 1st 2012, 17:55:34

i'm not going to make it to 125 because i fluffed up again and ran out of food twice today also :(
at about 2.5mil net a pop. That's expensive
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May 1st 2012, 15:13:53

polo!
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May 1st 2012, 0:09:09

lol nah. game A is not for me. It's just not fun
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Apr 30th 2012, 23:54:20

20mil is better than me...dead :(
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Apr 30th 2012, 21:01:56

wow!!! that's because you were in game C and you've got mad noobs to farm and get fat quick!!

You can't pull that fluff in game A. You may not have to stockpile being a 22+k rep casher because you're cashing 14mil a turn. But in game A, you probably won't get above 20k that easily. So what's a small rep that's forced to be small have to do? stockpile!
what happens if you lose 40-50% of your stock's worth to depreciation and tax? your jump becomes much smaller.

when you are smaller and stockpiles, tech prices becomes less relevant.
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Apr 30th 2012, 20:46:51

what's trool?
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Apr 30th 2012, 19:54:58

why is that funny? they really didn't know
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Apr 30th 2012, 19:52:35

Originally posted by smlandau84:
Maybe, maybe not... I'm going to finish around 32mil and I only stockpiled 20-25mil bushels.

Yes, I saved money buying those at 37-38, but I also was under 160% bus and res tech until about a week ago, and i capped it at 173% whereas if prices were lower I would have gotten to 177%. In addition I had to purchase 300k military at about 2500 average, where typically it would be priced in the 1500-1700 range. Tech prices were also so high i bought 0 mil strat, and 0 weapons until I was done grabbing. I had to dump everything into bus & res at 2900-3600 because prices were so high.

Tech prices caused me to have about 75% of my "normal" productivity for the first 3 weeks of the round.

If tech prices were average or low, I think I could have easily tacked on another 5mil net to my finish.


25mil bushels is not a stockpile. You might as well just saved the turns or cash on hand. You either didn't grab fast enough or didn't tech start enough.

If tech prices were low and military/food prices were high. You probably would've finished even lower net.

Don't be greedy and expect to have everything low. As a casher, i look forward to cheaper food than cheaper tech. You can stop buying tech when you stop LGs, you can't stop buying food. And cheap military means you can buy more and burn up them jets giving you more land, etc...
when you have to stockpile food and you lose half the value when you resell because of price drop and taxes. That's way worse than paying 30% extra for tech.
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Apr 30th 2012, 19:29:05

yes, but the most net to be gained is through stockpiling. Therefore, having a steady low priced food is the key to high net. You know how much more civilians eat vs military :)
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Apr 30th 2012, 19:14:31

military prices were extremely low. Food prices were also low all set long. Tech was high but for cashers under 20k, high food prices is more of a problem than high tech prices. Cashers can stock food and resell and still get most of their cash back
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Apr 30th 2012, 19:06:17

Originally posted by AzNiZe:
Originally posted by tduong:
Originally posted by crest23:
JJ was #101. He tried farming the wrong ppl. I don't know if I'd call what #87 and #184 did legit though, but oh well. Nice hit though AzN.


Every time i thought i have a good chance of winning express, I log in looking at a big hit from azn.


lol nice try, i know who run Buenos noches (#87) ;)


was talking about something like this

http://www.eestats.com/express/oldcountry/323/9

i should've been about 27mil net that set
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Apr 30th 2012, 18:52:15

i dare you!
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Apr 30th 2012, 18:45:53

Originally posted by crest23:
...Or you played straight and are no when in the top 10? Care to tell?


rephrase that
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Apr 30th 2012, 18:44:53

Originally posted by crest23:
JJ was #101. He tried farming the wrong ppl. I don't know if I'd call what #87 and #184 did legit though, but oh well. Nice hit though AzN.


Every time i thought i have a good chance of winning express, I log in looking at a big hit from azn.
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Apr 30th 2012, 18:36:45

yeah, and that kind of acrage and # of hits, my chances of losing 10k on a retal is too high. I think i can manage a peaceful 90k this round without retals but not 100k. I counted the possible targets and i just didn't have 10 more targets that i needed. I could've risked it but i'm almost certain 2 them would stockpile to jet up.

I need to figure out how to find more noob farms or countries that are weak at war. And how to find a lot of luck also!
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Apr 30th 2012, 18:32:02

i see it a lot in tourney!
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Apr 30th 2012, 16:57:37

is it smlandau83?
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Apr 30th 2012, 16:50:17

lmao! that's a lot of love!
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Apr 30th 2012, 16:43:59

lmao!! got him!
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Apr 30th 2012, 16:43:14

farmville doesn't actually let you farm other people
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Apr 30th 2012, 16:38:58

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:
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lol but good job on whoever that did it. I'm surprised i even lasted that long.

Next set, wild west continues!!


Lol, you're a good sport, tduong, btw, it was a chick that gave you the death blow ;)

Challenge for you, tduong, come back with same country name, got balls?


well, i would. But i don't see a point in war until the last 7 days. That's the only reason i change name but i don't think it's hard to figure out which country is mine.

BTW, the amount of damage i deal to any specific country is proportional to that country's ability to defend itself. Other than that, I try to spread my love equally.
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Apr 30th 2012, 10:57:17

lol so much love from blid
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Apr 30th 2012, 10:56:48

Originally posted by Pain:
fatty i would be impressed if you could manage to suicide the right country, let alone actually do damage.


lmao, tell that to DH too!
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