Deflect, deflect, deflect! I did what I thought was right in getting the information out there, Jared was obviously facing some sort of psychotic illness and getting that information out there helped put a lot of perspective on the situation that hurt a lot of groups of people. If you think I did it for a free dinner you're an idiot, what more could have I expected? I refused even to give my name. Not to mention I ended up having face to face meetings with the FBI to help expose any further information I had on the situation.

Do you also not recall telling me that EE had got tons of traffic from it? And you did not sound like you viewed that as a bad thing at all. In fact, you treated that as a bright point in the situation.

Detmer, they dont know exactly where he is, as it says. Would you have told pontius pirate et al, the countries that belonged to the people running a muck in Team and bringing unwarranted attention to PDM? If yes, my argument is null

dammit Pang, can I not make even the occasional offensive epithet? ;p

bring it hohiro, prove what an awesome player you are by creating an untagged suicider

(FTR, team server has NEVER been fun)

Pang, can I call this crybaby a fluff?

hohiro, you are a fluff

axa: you didn't do what was right. if you did what was right you would have listened to me when I told you to hold onto the posts until we could contact the police.

where does that say "hey let's run to the WSJ?"

we got tons of traffic, but it wasn't good traffic... it was ppl coming to look at the posts or to view the homepage and bounce and a few folks posts/sent angry msgs. a few send nicer ones later once the issue was dying down. it was a black eye for the community regardless.

and archaic, yes... just try to stay away from "loaded words" :p

@Axa: part of being able to make improvements to the game is to play the game itself to get a feel for what is going on.

More to the point: when you are volunteering your time for something, your motivation for doing it diminishes when people treat you badly. And before you go there, that is in no way to say that tags shouldn't beat on pdm out of fear of delaying game development (I'm neither endorsing nor discouraging beating on pdm), just like you shouldn't worry about doing bad things to sof (within the game rules) because you think I might delete you for it in alliance.

There are serious issues with team server and there is the beginnings of a discussion on how to fix it. The point is that it hasn't been gotten to yet as other changes were further up the list (most of what has been implemented is backend stuff designed for security/stability/cleaning up the code and to make changes easier). There's a change involving restarting that will be pushed forward soon and changes to express that are close to entering the implementation phase based on discussion there.
Fixing team is much harder and that is probably going to be the next project but will take longer.

Note that changes are slow in part because testing takes time and we like to take the time to get input and discuss.

Even if coding time was not an issue, it still would take several weeks of discussion/debugging/balancing even to implement small/medium scale changes because we prefer to do it right.

my point was that if your goal is to facilitate change, you should probably actually think about how your actions will impact the change you want. like I know that if PDM was to hit Evo tomorrow, qz and I wouldn't be getting much EE work done over the weekend. :p
it's the way it goes :p

folks should definitely do whatever to our alliances, of course, but if your goal is to facilitate game changes, and this was clearly the point of the suiciding based on PP's dumb posts, you should take that under consideration as well, eh?

Oh well, i see your argumenting is so great, you can do nothing else than calling names? You arent better than the others, because you came to team server just to do what the others do here. It doesnt help bragging around and insulting others ...

I make alliance lol country too.

Im glad you guys are all cool with this playing style again!

Again, not challenging him playing. Challenging him citing playing as a reason for not being able to code. In reality, I don't think it takes away from Pang coding that much, and I think he still does an outstanding job of it. I just get tired of reading it every time he willing puts himself in a position that ties him up from coding the least bit then cries foul.



I can see the double edged sword here, a little. Though I suppose I still lean towards my original position. I don't think anyone has treated Pang badly in the suiciding situation though, other than causing work for him in the position he took on himself.

my country # on alliance is []

my country # on team is []

I reiterate, bring it you cowardly chickenfluff backstabbing pussies

I have not played team in almost a year, but rest assured, I'll be suiciding somebody there every set from now on - who you ask? Well, apparently it does not really matter.
[You cannot claim ownership of countries on the forums]

Dibs.

[quote poster=archaic; 15347; 276103]my country # on alliance is []

my country # on team is []

I reiterate, bring it you cowardly chickenfluff backstabbing pussies

I have not played team in almost a year, but rest assured, I'll be suiciding somebody there every set from now on - who you ask? Well, apparently it does not really matter. [/quote]

Haha, you dont get it, i dont care like most others. we left there because of people who act like ... err .. you. i will problably not even continue playing alliance (yes i play tagged here :P) seeing this idiotic behavior here, too.

If game changes through coding was the point, I completely missed the bus on this argument, no denial there. However, seems to me the point was more to pull PDMs attention to their problematic members and get them in trouble. Pang being in PDM was, as I saw it, more a coincidence. But if it was on purpose because Pang is in PDM, that totally changes things and Pang's whining is warranted (and therefore not whining). In which case PP is taking advantage of Pang's status and is therefore a flufffluff.

Obviously PDM is a separate entity from team and we would never have told anyone in team anything about a member in alliance. The point is, they need to deal with the issue on team, with where he plays in team. They don't need to know any target at all in alliance because that is not relevant. What is relevant is dealing with him when he is on your ground. If you can't deal with him when he is on your ground then you are weak and pathetic.

AxA coding takes lots of time, to do it right at least, and for him to have a real live, play earth, and code is a lot to expect. He isn't a free slave that just sits in a box cranking out code like a monkey.

If he didn't play I doubt he would code...

Can we hire one of those?

*points at slagpit*

Great quote.

lol, careful - that monkey flings poo!

Why would we deal with the issue on team?

#1) your members don't care about team - they're there to fluff around and kill people for no reason. funny how I'm not seeing much criticism of that except from Requiem.
#2) TSO is the size of every other tag on the team server
#3) TSO wants a war, why should we be accommodating them?

so I just saw a list of active TSO members... there are two PDMers on that list and one of them doesn't even have a country in PDM which makes me wonder if he is still a PDMer... the people who decided to suicide are perhaps the dumbest people to have ever graced EE. Congrats on that distinction!

Because this issue only relates to team and has nothing to do with any other server. If you want to take your grievances to unrelated places, why don't you go rage punch a baby?



You're right - our members don't care about team at all... we seem to only have one member in PDM who even plays in TSO... it is not something even on our radar... we play alliance



ok... and? what does that have to do with anything?




You shouldn't be if you don't want to be... so what does this have to do with PDM or alliance again?

i saw the same list.

you guys are barking up the wrong tree.

I could see the reason for hitting PDM if PDM represented a majority of TSO players, but as far as I know TSO is a collection of people from various alliances. If you want to stand up to TSO recruit and organise instead of hitting innocent by-standers.

Does PP have beef with PDM outside of this issue? I, like Detmer, am dumfounded at why we are being targeted. And that is even at the fact that it is still cross server.

PP, we are level headed. We can empathize with you when you set gets ruined by flufftards (Hello PDM has dealt with that lots in the past). I'm not saying they were not flufftards to come to team and kill you for no reason, but I am saying it is screwed up for you to come here and do the same to people who have no vested interest in your server.... You may, however, have made more enemies.

You should at least target the one's responsible not us. Like Detmer said: " the people who decided to suicide are perhaps the dumbest people to have ever graced EE"

Well.. I would be willing to bet that if a clan came to 1A from another game (say mars or whatever) and was the same size as the rest of 1a combined and started killing the rest of the server; all 1a alliance heads would take note, get huge ass warchats going and take care of the problem.

Well, we haven't seen any lists but we've seen posts by Boltar, Jiman, Elvesrus and Archaic defending TSO. Nothing notable by anyone else.

Maybe you'd like to post the members list here so we can improve our targeting for next set?

PDM IS THE 99% PERCENT, OCCUPY PDM.

Boltar and Jiman have never played in PDM and placing elves and I among TSO leadership because we post a lot is like putting dagga in Sol leadership because he posts a lot

PP, you are retarded

No, you should be dealing with this on the Team server where the problem lies. Either a) get a team, (or group of teams), together to defend your members or b) come to alliance and join an alliance that likes to war and kill some stuff. suiciding against people who don't know or care about your bs on Team server is just. plain. stupid.

Boltar=SoF FA
Jiman=SoL FA
Elvesrus= this is his first round as a leader in PDM. he has never once suggested that we kill everyone else. even while drunk.
Archaic=said he hasn't played for TSO in a long time.

there's plenty more well known earthers on TSO's memberlist in leadership/advisor roles for most major alliances. I won't out them here, though.

But like I said, you're barking up the wrong tree.

So PP, are you guys going to run land farms for us the rest of the round as reparations or how are you going to fix this mistake?

Dagga doesnt run SOL!?

TSO Members list:
<Edit: Not a copy and paste from LCNostra's contact list meant as a bad joke gone wrong here!>

This.

If that is what you have to go on, then why did you think your actions would have any affect on anything... all you have done is piss off innocent by-standers while all the people involved sit and laugh at your stupidity.

NOw thats a cause worth suiciding for! Minus on Assassin, cause he's scary.

One flaw, they are not PDMers.

We actually did that once because of FBI/WoG :P Heard kind of the same arguments "we're not all LCN" and "this will just bring us onto the other server to kill you again" but strangely it just ended up in Ravi not posting as actively on TT anymore :(

Probably a better idea if you let Sir Balin handle this because I can see you're not taking the suiciding so well :(


Well ideally we would have had access to TSO's members list and picked hte best represented clan, but I've repeatedly explained why hitting TSO on Team would have been completely pointless and recruiting 40 people on a server where the existing organized playerbase was 50 is pointless. Also, hitting innocent bystanders is always wayyyyyyyy more effective.

And to the people threatening us on Alliance - lol. Not sure you guys get it. We played Team. We didn't play Alliance. Now we'll ruin your fun here.

mostly SoL, LCN and Neofed

I find it funny that at least 5 pdm members came forward saying that they quit team this set because they got killed by TSO, and their morale is super low because they are getting hit in alliance server for no reason as well.

also when TSO FSed we lost 3 people that said they would take a set off and didn't elaborate on the details, so taking the dates into account, I would guess they took a set off because of TSO as well.

heck looking at both list you probably had more pdm members on your side that against you, further confirmed by our drop of members this set, so yeah PP is a fluffing retard that fails at any kind of investigation.

Thanks. We have some countries left, this is useful information.

Wait, so PP goes from Team to alliance to cause havoc and he is a server terrorist? But Boltar and co, go from alliance to team and it's all good? The lack of common sense in people,..... That's the power of collective stupidity.

can't think of a fitting analogy to describe the mindlessness of these suiciders.

Oi Pointless Pirate, get back into your box on the Team server and take your sorry excuse for "TEAMmates" with you!

+1

Haven't really heard much criticism of the PDM members heading up TSO.

Boltar and whoever didn't go to team in an effort to scare people into changing their ways, so yes it is different and not terroristic. I am sorry that is hard for you to understand.

How about instead of thinking about this in terms of us "getting revenge" for you guys on team, you just think of this as us coming here to fluff around like your members do on Team?

So it's better if you do it for the sake of random destruction? Ok then, we're here because suiciding is fun.

edit: they did go on Team to change Team btw. Decided to kill the server as part of their plan. Elvesrus has some nice posts on TT about that.

If you want to do that at least form an alliance and tag up