look, fluff you

im trying to explain whats being done, and your trolling, worthless, self absorbed ass keeps comming here, and making extremely unproductive posts.

fluffing stop already. make a valid suggestion or go the fluff away

well you did not have as many members as you had countries...w/e

ok, 1 or 2... I can understand... a dozen though? like 15% of the alliance were cheaters?

how does that go unnoticed by the whole of leadership?

i wasnt looking for cheaters in that we DROPPED like 30 members in the switch. i was more concerned with getting the site set up and finding the missing members

im sure the rest of leadership was doing the same. our boxcar had NOTHING at the start of the set, it was alot of effort to get it set up, and its still not done

possibly this took time away from our normal IA work, and i agree, switching sites is when it should be at the strongest. but you are asking for ways it COULD of happened. im offering suggestions. to be honesy, i have no idea how it happened and im kinda embarased

sd, we had many more boxcar accounts than we had countries

we had been using boxcar for news, and news only for a while

i do know how hard it was with the switch.

However the way we operate, is that combatting cheating comes FIRST in all IA situations.

That came from past experience.

lol, you switched 20 members

we switched over 100 accounts

we had 250 accounts in earthstats.

the majority of which were vacation/retired players of which 60% don't play anymore specifically because of cheaters.

we had over 1000 on ES :)

They're like Minja's :P

RAWWWWWRR bring it on.

NA is sad...

Mr Ford

If llaar knew what was going on and didn't act right there and then to put a stop to it, he allowed cheating. He may of not of done it himself, but he knew about it and thus allowed it. Since those members that cheated in LaE were members in NA llaar should of deleted their NA accounts right on the spot and sent that information to EE's staff

but he did not.... see that is the problem. You want to defend him blah blah blah, but the fact is he knew to some extent what was going on. That negats any transfering to another site problems that you may of had.

Your alliance can not gain any respect if there is no trust and unfortunatly for you, it was your president that knew what was going on (to some extent). If you are willing to have your alliance die to defend some ignorant since of honor that is ignorant. You are putting 1 person ahead of your alliance. Llaar isn't NA, he is 1 person and it is his own fault for sitting on this information and not doing anything.

It is not the 4 member's fault, it is not the hackers fault, it is llaars, he logged into LaE as a highly ranked leader and had access to that secret board. Llaar should not have waited till AFTER the fact to state to Pang "hey you now have permission to come in and check things out". That is not have you deal with this. Yes I will admit Llaar has done some great things for NA, but unfortinatly, the great things are usually undone by the one very bad thing. Putting the blame on the hacker that he was bad just shows that you are angry at getting caught

If you want NA to survive, someone new has to come in that can rebuilt the trust within the earth community. Having God like faith in your leader will only cause continual problems for NA. Trust me, getting tagged killed every set is not fun. I would love for llaar to step down as a leader and reform himself to the earth community but how much he cares about NA and about his own personal ego is up to him.

No legit alliance loses 50+ members just because of a site change.

we lost about 25

and they were UNI members that never applied to boxcar

uni members are the random rainbow untags that we recruit every set and attempt to train. maybe 30-40% stay and become good members


edot: im pretty sure rage lost 10-20 as well?

We transferred EVERY member that has EVER had access to our ES site to Boxcar.
I, as HIA there watched EVERY app that was sent,and as hard as this may be to believe, i checked every app against known IP's..

btw i'm sure that the base of NA and middle leadership is probabily great, it is when your top leadership does underhanded things that things go wrong

The top is what the public views, they are the face of the alliance. Just like in real politics, the government is the face of the people, when they screw up, they usually get tarred and feathered, just look at all the political backlash in both the US and UK because they did things that their base and their allies did not like.

NA in my view has to do some soul searching, would love to see NA completely clean with legitimate leadership again :)

thus is why I quit trying to be IA :D

we indeed lost about 10.

the site change prevented us from conning them into sticking around, but was not the main reason they left.

that would be generaly apathy towards the game

snaw, should have taken the opportunity to kick Detmer!!

*runs*

we have no hIA :(

morwen, come back

Oh i just thought of the most awesome flamey/chelsea gag, but too rude for here

Oh and great job with the site Pang and co. The transfer was not a prob. :)

WooT! Please hit me soon, I haven't walled in ages!

me either!

mrford lies!!

i saw him wall a cruise just the other day!

yeah, but that was much harder than walling a SoL KR

it was launched by PDM!

Which was promptly followed by an AB retal!!

And damn you mrford, didn't I tell you not to crash the food market??! :P

I honestly don't know why I waste my time reading these things, haha.

I bet 75% of the people criticizing NA on these boards have never and will never like NA, regardless of what measures are taken to prevent further BS, or what leadership changes are made.

It is not worth trying to convince those people. Those other 25% will come around eventually with some work.

I think my favorite part about this game now, is that over the 10+ years that this game as been in existence, most of us have gone from teenagers to almost 30 yr olds, but everyone seems to be just as immature and stupid as they were back then.

Hooray for 30 year olds trolling!!!

that AB retal was just to show TAN that NA dont take fluff from PDM!

i sent a retal message

need i remind you that i was involved in anti-SLIT alliance with NA and i have never had any personal issues with NA as an alliance.

I just REALLY don't like cheaters.

i dont like dragons


OR lances for that matter

no one likes dragons, that's why we slayed them all back in the middle ages.

always burning fluff and stealing princesses....

The irony

mr ford

AIM: Camaro

hilarious

my RL name is M.R.Ford

so its mrford, or mister ford, hense mrford



but i like camaros! damnit

Is a dragonlance a lance made from dragons, or a lance made for a dragon's use?

it's a conundrum!

Maybe it is a lance made from dragons to be used by dragons.

it can be whatever you want it to be...

rawr

I can't believe not a one of you has said anything about the books by weis and hickman

This is like Watergate.

Except worse, cuz I dun care about the president!

But I care about Earth! NO MERCY FOR CHEATERS!!!

iScode, I want to know how you can honestly focus on this beat to death already issue, when we still do not know what a Dragonlance is for sure?????????

lol ziggy

I think he just scammed his name off the DnD world.

Wait.... the word "scammed" is a synonym for the word "cheat."

Are you saying that DR cheated???

Dragonlance: Medical term: Used for popping boils on dragon bottoms.

ford. we also didn't have anything at all set up on boxcar.
hell ES and PDM have been integral parts of each other since the day commy started ES.
We're still clean to the best of my knowledge.
If I find out there's someone in PDM cheating, I can guarantee you they will be getting booted and permabanned faster than you can say boo.

Hey man, dragons have boil issues too!

poor UncleC....sucked into the forums after all these years. RUN! RUN WHILE YOU STILL CAN!

All the forums & access levels should have been there...