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lincoln

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Dec 11th 2010, 15:36:45

there have been numerous posts in the last few months about how reselling off the private market at express is neither fun nor productive

indeed since i usually spy on every H at least once during every set i can say that i have seen very very few H resellers in recent sets and even fewer after the ALCSA or oct10 changes

that is true even though military prices have been high on express for many weeks

so i tried a reseller myself to see why all the complaints were coming about this strat and why noone was playing what should be and once was a productive and popular strat

Obviously, the strat requires numerous transactions in order to be successful. In primary and tourney this is not a problem because you can sell off your inventory once a day and still accumulate a large number of transactions. On Express, in order to acquire as many transactions as you get on primary you have to complete a new complete inventory clearance every two hours. The time demands on a player are thus considerable. There are stretches of the early morning hours where the number of players on line is minimal and sales decline.

The Oct10 market change which delayed how quickly goods arrive on the market negatively impacted resellers.

I have a couple of suggestions.
1) allow resellers to have their goods reach the market instantly
2) build in a specialized option for resellers
when their inventory completely sells out, 45% of their remaining inventory is immediately placed on the market and they are charged a turn



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Pain Game profile

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Dec 11th 2010, 15:57:57

#2 is a terrible idea IMO. if you make things like reselling automatic it just takes away from the skill required to do good.

the whole point of being better then other people in this game is the fact that some people put more time/dedication into it. just because a reseller strat requires more logging in doesnt mean it should be given special options. if you can play the strat due to time, play something else.
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lincoln

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Dec 11th 2010, 16:20:36

well i agree with your time dedication point

i have often said that this server needs to get away from the idea that you can log in six times and win with an allx country

we have finally passed that threshold
the lack of resellers though imo is a negative development
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mrford Game profile

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Dec 11th 2010, 17:25:16

Wait

you went on a crusade against theos

now that there are "fewer" as you say, the game is hurting and you want to make them more powerful?

The level of your entertainment is highly under-rated
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Dec 11th 2010, 19:46:15

^merit.
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lincoln

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Dec 11th 2010, 20:11:32

you two are not my target audience

i am writing to those who can distinguish between Hcashers and Hresellers.
The admins are able to distinguish them
there are a couple of other worthwhile posters who can draw the distinction and add worthwhile thoughts
so it really does matter that you two can not make the leap


Edited By: Warster on Dec 14th 2010, 8:00:09. Reason: show respect
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Ivan Game profile

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Dec 11th 2010, 20:16:43


rofl some of the worst ideas ever posted

lincoln

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Dec 11th 2010, 20:26:58

ivan

i believe that was your response just before the admins changed the I gov type
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Dec 11th 2010, 20:46:55

heh, u really have no clue.
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mrford Game profile

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Dec 11th 2010, 21:17:06

Originally posted by lincoln:
you two are not my target audience

i am writing to those who can distinguish between Hcashers and Hresellers.
The admins are able to distinguish them
there are a couple of other worthwhile posters who can draw the distinction and add worthwhile thoughts
so it really does matter that you two can not make the leap

fordy,
i read a european study which indicated that perhaps too many in utero ultrasounds causes brain damage
sounds like the type you have confessed you have
those of you in LaE may have a class action

good luck with that


I was playing this game when you were still being breast feed. I know more about it and ways to play it than you ever will.

The thing you dont seem to realize is: most of us do not have to fluff and complain that a ceartian strat is too strong. We have played this game for 10+ years with minimal rule changes.

While small changes here and there are always good for the game, you seem to come up with a new change that you seem to think needs to be implemented EVERY SINGLE WEEK!

Play the game, if you can not play it with one strat, play with a different one.


As to me having brain damage, the reason I never respond to your insults (which ironically you dish out just as much as your opponents, yet you seem to think that you are on the high ground) is because they do not bother me. I have a wife and a kid, a job that is so far above your head you would probably implode if you even attempted to do half of what I do in a day, and more friends on this game than you probably have in real life.

Your role in this game is one of comic relief and activity promoter on these boards. No one takes anything you ever say seriously. You attempt to speak way above your vocabulary on a text based game forum. That says a good bit about your self image and your lact of self esteem in real life.

Whenever someone posts a rational well thought out post countering your ideals, suggestions and conspiricy theories, you ignore 90% of the post and pick out the last line or some spelling errors and attack that. As a debator, I have seen elementary school debate teams that could rip you a new asshole. None of your statments or platforms are based on facts. They might have some remote glint of truth to them, but after you finish spinning, paraphrasing, using your thesarus, and injecting your conspiracy theories, your posts, and by default your point/viewpoint, has the merit of my last fluff.

Now I know you will ignore 90% of this and attack some little spelling error or some irrelavant point in this post, but it had to be said.

Edited By: mrford on Dec 11th 2010, 21:22:01. Reason: typos
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Dibs Ludicrous Game profile

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Dec 11th 2010, 21:22:49

http://www.greekchat.com/...ms/showthread.php?t=60974

*cough* european *cough* study *hack* *cough* *cough*
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lincoln

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Dec 12th 2010, 6:03:48

well you are right when you say that i do not know what the "ceartian strat" is let alone how strong it is

you have opposed every single suggestion i have ever made yet after they are implemented you begrudgingly admit that the gme is better

yes i make a lot of suggestions to improve the game
that is because i can forsee the future of this site
and because i see the admins constantly considering changes
that is something you never ever consider
you always vote for the present
a rule change goes into effect and you defend the brand new rule as though it is stare decisis
in the not too distant future this server will have eighty bot countries and fifty new human players
the decisions and rule changes made now will directly impact that future
that server is going to be a blast to play
unless spies are useless, spy ops scarce and SPAL irrelevant to success
or unless there is no diversity of strat types and all the humans are playing Hcashers because that is the "standard" for the server

i strive for a clean healthy vibrant server where the strats are in dynamic competition
that is why i hunt down and kill cheating clans
that is why i denounce individual cheaters
and why i relentlessly suggest changes that improve strat and gov type diversity on this server
i am not going to apologize for wanting a clean dynamic competitive server
i know you will fight me every step of the way towards that goal but i can live with that

you are the one who said you had actual physical brain damage with a medical diagnosis, all i said was that your writing and reading skills showed a cause for concern
you can look into the study or not as you choose

you have been told by the admins before that real life has no place in this forum

you talk of your friends on the site,
according to your ffa post you "ragequit" over the way they treated you
probably ought not be lecturing about friendship for a while

my friends and supporters are the smartest people on the site and their vocabularies are every bit as large and varied as mine
just because no one you know speaks like us does not mean that we carry a thes everywhere we go, and just because no one in the defunct LaE spoke, wrote and spelled properly does not mean it is impossible.

when i am wrong i admit it, when my ideas cause as many problems as they solve, i admit that as well
ever since enshula left the server it is very rare that a well thought out refutation of my ideas appears on the forum
i have never seen one from you
it is rare that you post anything other than "giggity giggity goo"
thanks for making the effort however misdirected this time
if you spent half as much time trying to improve the game as you do remembering and regurgitating schoolyard taunts you could make one decent suggestion, just one every ten months, is that too much to ask?













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Ivan Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 6:16:39


Lincoln I think that your part in changing the I gov type was minimal and either way I still dont see you running any dicts up into the t10 or anything else for that matter

locket Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 6:35:29

My biggest issues with his post are his apparent need to refer to theocracy simply as "H" and suggestion 2. #1 isnt bad

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Dec 12th 2010, 9:29:21

i tend to agree with locket. i did like getting the odd chance that goods would reach pub market instantly.


I posted on another thread as well, but i also feel that the 'return goods' button should be removed for this server because we can all limit the time our goods are on the market now. would make for much more strategic pricing and possibly keep prices from dropping so fast.
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NOW3P Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 10:00:13

Disagree with both points. If you don't want to commit the time to a reseller, choose a different strat. If you want to play it right, you can enjoy the benefits.

You can't automate the whole game.

And for the record, I CAN distinguish between a TMBR and a Theo Casher.

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Dec 12th 2010, 10:12:25

dont think first point was made in regards to automation. as i understand why the change was made, as a TTR/TMBR player, i preferred when there was an odd chance that my goods would reach the market instantly.
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synoder Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 13:39:58

I think it's great that you keep suggestion ideas, even if only the occasional one gets implemented it still stirs up thought and discussion. I agree with the others though that making a reseller more automated kind of takes away the skill of it. For those that have the time to put into it, they should be rewarded for their effort. One of the main issues with reselling in express is that players batch their turns so much so there are times when the market is stagnant but that is the nature of express. If we get more players then that will help more than anything.

dantzig Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 17:00:12

I don't think reseller is a valid strat in Express. Ds and Hs can supplement their income by doing a little reselling on the side during the set and it makes sense for TTRs to switch to MBR for the last 12-24 hours but otherwise it just doesn't work due to the length of the set and the turn rate.
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lincoln

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Dec 12th 2010, 17:44:31

one of the Hs has become a reseller late and should make a big move with one of his countries

so becoming a reseller late has worked well for him

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iZarcon Game profile

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Dec 12th 2010, 19:10:35

'one of his countries' ?

how many does he have?
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lincoln

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Dec 12th 2010, 20:46:19

the smart money says its JJ
not proven just an educated guess

you tell me how many countries he has
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iZarcon Game profile

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Dec 13th 2010, 0:09:28

guess u missed my l33t country then? I switched to reseller very early this morning. only had to resell twice, and made big profits both times.

If i'd teched this morning, then switched to mbr, probably would have finished higher ... But who knows.
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braden Game profile

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Dec 13th 2010, 0:14:54

how much money, dollar wise, would you say you actually made through those sales, izarcon?

and did you limit to two sales due to time, or because your pm wouldn't replenish quick enough to spend all your money?

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Dec 13th 2010, 9:18:34

i made roughly £1b. Managed to get troops to sell for 160 and tanks for 590 so i didn't lose too much nw in the process.

I would have easilly sold loads more, but as it was, i was buying out my whole pm all day and i had about 15k turrets left on it at the finish.

Think next time i'll have to make a small jump on the day before at slightly higher prices. because i think i could probably double the bushels i had stocked but seem to have nowhere to spend the cash.

Was only at just over 4m nw when i made the initial jump. So i gained about 18m nw in 18hrs.

Another solution would be for me to get more land, especially for destocking. i think that was what JJ was trying before he got grabbed.
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Warster Game profile

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Dec 14th 2010, 8:16:59

Umm lincoln, ford makes more post about the game then most people and is busy setting up the wiki site, other then suggestions what else do you do for the game??

Please note Express is only a TINY part of the overall game.

Unlike you, he has access the Development board so he has direct input to the game.

So please stop abusing people just because they disagree with you.

Edited By: Warster on Dec 14th 2010, 9:29:04
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NOW3P Game profile

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Dec 14th 2010, 8:24:07

lol@gregg thinking he has friends.

I know he's delusional and all...but that's borderline sad.