removal of the 2 bil limit? - Earth Empires Forum

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:48:29

agree/disagree?
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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:51:30

agree - market chaos ftw!!!!

At the very least, I think it's worth trying for a set. The final NW's would be fun, I bet.

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I kinda like the 2B bug.

I think it's kinda fun to have a few built-in traps that could catch you and screw you over if you're not careful--like if you put your entire stockpile at $60 and the market gets bought out and you don't know it--should've been more careful.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:54:01

of course, on the other side, think of how fun it'd be to try to figure out who netted a bunch of money and grab them right after they have an obnoxious amount of stuff sell.

Think of the money you'd grab if someone's sitting with 20B in cash in their country.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:54:05

take 'er off!

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Billyjoe of UCF

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:54:42

I kinda would like to see the 2b bug gone tbh.

also did they change earth now if you try to buy from the market at a higher price then your private market now you buy from the over priced market.... it used to default to using your private market if it was cheaper.

mrford

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:56:57

removing the 2b bug, could massivly kill some strats

like TMBR?

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:57:06

yeah, i wish they'd change that =\

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Apr 22nd 2010, 0:58:00

Only if we add a bunny military unit.

NOW3P

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:01:12

people realize 2 bil bug != 2 bil limit, right?

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:20:56

dont remove. in fact make it harder to net by putting back in old limitaions (eg. cant buy from public at higher price). the numbers these days r ridiculous.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:26:46

If there was no self farming, then none of these limitation issues would happen :P

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:37:27

it's not a bug now, it's an artificially imposed cap to imitate the old game.

The way the game is currently coded there is no way in hell you'll hit an overflow error:)

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:42:21

without the cap there would be a 18,446,744,073,709,551,615 bug:)

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:47:16

BACK TO LONG INTS YOU FOOLS

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Billyjoe of UCF

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:48:20

Kill4free you are wrong I haven't self farmed at all and i've been stuck with 2bil in each of my 12 cashers for weeks now.

Billyjoe of UCF

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:49:11

I think you should automatically buy from your private market if its cheaper then the public market like the old game.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:55:24

actually on this thread please keep the discussion in the context of FFA and not alliance (there is a thread for that on those boards).

I imagine the implications would be different for FFA than alliance. dunno.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 1:57:27

definitely different implications, but we want no more 2b limit :P:

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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:13:16

the limit can be removed for only one server if for some reason that made sense. ie. (JUST AN EXAMPLE) if the conclusion was that no 2 bil limit on FFA = good but 2bil limit on alliance = good then the game could be set up like that.
Hence a thread for each:P

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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:18:57

Get rid of it!

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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:19:46

And while you're at it, get rid of earthquakes.

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Havoc

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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:48:37

Something like the "corruption" that was implemented in the Express server that had no 2bil limit could be interesting. Would still make it so you don't want to use turns when you have over 2bil, but wouldnt effect jumping..

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mrford

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Apr 22nd 2010, 2:50:39

i honestly think that totally removing the 2bill limit would radically change the game, and i wouldnt find it as fun, nor challenging.

while i understand that the 2bill bug was a flaw in the coding of the old game, its been there forever, and its as much a part of the game as missiles, or anything like that. i think changing it now would change the game too drastically

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NOW3P

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Apr 22nd 2010, 4:29:44

Maybe I'm underestimating it, but although I think the implications would be noticeable I don't think they'd be quite as profound as everyone seems to think. With corruption and a time based private market replenishment rate in place, there's really no incentive to hold that kind of cash anyways unless you're walling or converting. You'd lose whatever you'd lose to taxes in stocking to corruption anyways, so why not just stock and not have mad cash sitting around to get suicided for?

I'm definitely all in favor of tossing the limitation for a set just to see how it pans out...even if it was just a short 1 month set to test the dynamics.

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kemo

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Apr 22nd 2010, 4:42:23

no id vote for a higher limit at most. like 2.5 or 3 bil

if you pitch it then you gotta find a way to make farmers more profitable cause they gonna lose a fluff ton of business

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Apr 22nd 2010, 5:33:23

hmmm, raise the limit to like 5bil but make it easier to grab cash in LG's.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 7:24:04

agree.... would be fun to grab a country not protecting its cash :)

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Rico

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Apr 22nd 2010, 7:44:02

Kemo, I think farmers will still be profitable if more people are going casher.

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Purgatori

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Apr 22nd 2010, 8:59:49

Here's an idea... replace -10% military strength with -10% Military Upkeep Costs on Republic government.

Edited By: Purgatori on Apr 22nd 2010, 9:02:05

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Mad Morticia

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Apr 22nd 2010, 9:14:40

re. the $2 b. limit, really don't think it can have much of an effect on the outcome of the game. So I say, take it off, take it off, take it all off.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 9:15:14

P.S. Like purg's idea too--the one right above me.

Purgatori

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Apr 22nd 2010, 9:22:58

The -10% penalty is what has been the bane of everyone who's played this strat.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 11:07:46

go nuts, changes are good for the game let the netters go nuts.....

will always be something to kill for the really skillful players ;)

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Apr 22nd 2010, 13:22:03

Just because I hate making restarts doesn't mean I don't like killing, I just prefer to spend a set peacefully without having to spend half of it land-trading *cough*Bahde/BOD*cough*

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Apr 22nd 2010, 13:59:25

taking out the $2bill bug with eliminate the oiler and food strats, mabye not completly but if you are nettnig it will.

2 bill forces netters to stockpile resources

I vote nay

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malykii

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Apr 22nd 2010, 14:14:41

i say remove it, but make it as it is in express. the corruption rate definitely makes people have to stock because if you don't after the 2 bil mark you lose a lot of cash each turn. i don't agree that it would make the tmbr bad either, if anything it would give it a little bump since they wouldn't have to worry about selling too much military to go over the limit, and since you don't really use turns at that point they don't suffer.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 15:10:16

Keep the 2 bil limit in.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 15:52:17

Agreed.

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Apr 22nd 2010, 17:37:55

err my intention was to do what's in express... maybe i'll make a new thread at some point that actually points out the rules of that, and what i would expect as implications

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Apr 22nd 2010, 21:19:09

2 bill bug is there to up the skill cap

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martian

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Apr 23rd 2010, 0:27:32

the 2 bil bug is there because the original game actually had a coding/numeric overflow issue without it. The game as it is now has no such issue but the cap is still there since the original intent was to duplicate earth as closely as possible (minus certain other bugs) first.

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Apr 23rd 2010, 0:32:19

considering I just went over the 2 bil bug in like 3 countries

I say remove it for awhile lol

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Apr 26th 2010, 22:01:32

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May 1st 2010, 12:35:01

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