You and me baby. lets level the playing field.


you wasted or something, btw?

This isn't one of those "let's beat each other up" things, is it? I mean, I certainly don't have the desire to try and show that my fluff is bigger in some duel to the death. You win. How's that?!?!?!?

And no, I'm not wasted. Yet. That might happen in the next day or two though, but for reasons that have nothing to do with EE.

Tell you what. You join ESD and play E-X-A-C-T-L-Y how I tell you to play and we WILL level the playing field. Sorta.

BOTH OF YOU! REPORT TO TKO!

Nah. I'd consider it Ketch, but the whole self farming thing makes TKO an unattractive option.

Yeah, you're right. I'm knuckling under to Bully NBK, but the truth is that you guys have far too much talent to be self farming and you know it.

I been thinking about grabbing your fatties. You can retal, but I'll score some serious land gains. Mind if I touch you in your special places?

I was just a little confused by your posting this whole leveling the playing field thang on multiple threads :-P

PM your plan :-P

Honestly, I don't personally care if the playing field gets leveled or not, but so many people are fluffing about so much stuff, and the common denominator is how land is and can be acquired.

Have a look at ESD. So far, I've been All-X. Now imagine that I had as many players as IMP. ESD would have nearly 3x the TNW of IMP and also top ANW by far on the server.

What ESD would NOT have is the top country. And ESD would not care about that. For a single player, I OWN the top 25. Now imagine 19 more of me in the same tag. 90% of the top 100 would be ESD.

Now imagine an ESD that has even 50% of the top 100 countries, hasn't self farmed, and has huge stockpiles on every one of their 300 countries. We could put a comparatively low acre country in the top slot.

The sad part is that I'll never convince anyone it can be done.

I don't see the point of netting in FFA if you do not try to aggregate your NW into 1 country....

There's where our philosophies differ. And there's nothing wrong with that.

Dragon dont self farm then.

its not a self farmign policy. its a allowing players to play the game they want to policy.

Ketch, I don't care that you allow it. What I want is a clan that doesn't do it and utterly dominates the TNW and ANW on the server doing only All-X and retals and reasonable amounts of grabbing.

TKO could EASILY boost a designated player to #1 with a sound group strategy that didn't include self farming.

I'm not trying to tell you or any of your boys how to play. I'm telling you why I wouldn't play there. :)

I was really disenchanted with self farming. Yeah. it's cool seeing those acres roll in and cool using strategy to maintain land management, but in the end, it's just not scalable.

Dragon - what would you think of landtrading with yourself with both countries gaining land in the exchange? Would that be acceptable? It's something I am considering doing. The 6 acres per turn exploring is slowing my growth now.

That is what kethup and I did all of last set, probably others. STill deemed self-farming

Rockman, I have no issue with how you gain your land. What youhave to decide for yourself is whether or not you are more concerned with one big country or 16 decent but smaller ones.

In another post, you were mentioned, and I hope you understand that I wasn't insulting you with my response to K4F. You and the guy that plays under the SAS tag are obviously good players. I was not trying to diminish your efforts so much as I was trying to point out that someone was saying that 2 guys who combined don't equal my countries are notable, and I'm apparently not.

I do apologize for any offense I may have given.

Really, what strat you play certainly determines how much land you need to finish in a top position.

Actually having defense and land trading is a much less efficient way of self-farming.

What you're taking advantage of is ghost acres. That's not a whole lot different than self farming low defense land farms in my book.

I don't quite know how to delicately phase this other than farming yourself with high as opposed to low defense isn't very smart and I don't think it's any more or less "ethical" than just building land farms and culling them.

you have no idea what you are talking about, let me lay it out for you.


-Keep very few turrets
-Get 2 countries roughly same NW
-Put 1/4 of all military on market
-Sell rest of turrets
-Alternate PSing each other
-On the first PS for each PS all military
-pull all military back off the market
-buy some more def if you have too little, but you have at least 1/4 your military. If you keep buying a little more military each time you do this you will have enough even when you only have 1/4...if you hope people don't mil spy you, they may never know you are that low on military


This generates the maximum amount of land across all 16 I'm pretty sure...

at the end of the set you can then take one or two countries and farm the crap outta the others....

- I - have no idea what I am talking about.....

Okey dokey dude. I'm not sure what your problem with me is, but in the context of the discussion, he was asking me how I felt about a certain practice, and I provided an answer. That's all.

You fellows talk about efficiency... but is it efficient to make yourself the biggest landgrabbing target around, with tons of people your NW that have double/triple your defense?

Read my method, I carried more defense than 3/4 of TKO last set :-P


you can always buy up military after self farming, sell it off, all before having to take turns again!

the market is an amazing thing.




dragon, no problem with you, but if you say taking two countries similarly sized and land trading isn't good, you are wrong...

No, but you know what? If I have 500K acres, losing 50K of it to K4F is irrelevant when I'm cashing $100 million a turn.

if you have 500k acres, k4f shouldn't be able to break you even with all 16 of his combined :-P

- I'm - not the one you have to convince. I don't care. But you certainly can't claim that its more efficient than farming low defense countries.

In terms of overall efficiency of 16 countries, yes I can. I think my results using this strategy speak to it.

Defence is over rated. Just retal properly. Ive got 16 countries at 50k acres right now, as apposed to 1 at 300k acres and 15 at 10k acres. Unless you got llaar esc. insane level of pumping 1 country its mroe effecient to land trade. Im generally around 200m ave net, without pumping one country. My top set is top 20 in TNW in FFA server history so i think what id o is decently effecient. Im too lazy too do the math though!

You may well be right about that, but the clan who claims to be the defenders of the Small Tags had no problem with grabbing one of them when it suited their agenda.

I believe, without ever having spoken to him about it, ketchup will confirm something roughly similar, and that fluffer got like 200m avg NW last set with some fluffups (thats what he said) :-P

ozzite- Slightly under 200m last set. 190something unfortunatly =(

:-P

for post 420 tell us if you LG like me :-P

That would depend on the strat. If I have well-defended countries, that means I have to carry high offense. For a Theo MBR, that's probably okay, but I can't see where a Rep Casher gains anything in the long run by land trading with his other well-defended Rep Cashers. The whole idea behind the Casher strat is to maximize profit and minimize expenses.

I ran 16 rep cashers last set and got #1, #9, and 175m avg nw....it works, trust us

all these netting threads are giving me a headache lol....


simple.... build... GS/BR....kill kill kill...


or die/die/die depending on which foot the shoe is on at the time!!

Tell you what. If I can find someone to trade hits with, I'll experiment with ONE country to see how it works out.

i miss teh dragon

I'm missing Link. There's a joke in there somewhere. ;)