What's the server's take on this....

Let's say ESD is at war with SOTA. ESD has police to do retals and such.

Now, let's say that my war with SOTA is going so well that I grab, oh. let's say FoCuS.

If I'm grabbing other clans while at war, doesn't that make me fair game for being grabbed without my police being allowed to retal?

I agree with that. You'd be a fair retal without your police involvement.

If its a rogue member, or a typo, wed leave you on war DNH. We'd contact and say if it continues the war DNH will expire. We would then remove you from war DNH if it continues.

TKO stance

Here's what I see. FoCuS is still at war with NBK. Crippy cherry picks my country that's defenseless because it's a missile dump.

Looking over their live countries, I see a ton of fatties I could have my way with and there's no possibility that they could retal me.

However, someone is policing for them. I need to know who that is because I'm fixing to take some land, and I expect their police to stay out of my bidness.

the only clan left is TKO

What, what about my tag? :P

Stay FOCUSed XD

Okay NightShade, are you police for FoCuS? And if so, what's your stance on me land raping them because they decided to grab outside their war?

Your answer will determine my future position in terms of diplomacy with SOTA.

Typically, if you're grabbing, you probably don't deserve a War DNH anymore.

There could be an exception made like Ketchup said, but I know I've told several PANLV people not to grab because it'd be tacky to do so while at war, unless we wanted to post publicly that we no longer require police and will be doing our own retals.

Granted, our countries would be a fluff to break and wouldn't net much land in many cases, since most of us are heavy troops and turrets, but regardless, I've been telling our members not to grab.

At the same time, I hope you've made some attempt to actually talk to Crippler or another FoCuS guy because it's also tacky to air your laundry on FFAT before attempting to resolve something privately (I know it's become habit to do this, and even I did it when it came to one of the smaller clans this set threatening us during war--it was still tacky).

imp had swords on war DNH last set within the hour i saw them make a LGs out side of the tag they were at war with i hit the with 2 or 3 LGs

Crippy thinks I'm being silly because he feels it wasn't a big deal to take advantage of what I thought was a friendship and mutual respect, Twain.

Swords was grabbing at war and threatening to use police to retal.

Dragon- Message Focus to clearify it. Perhaps you can get reps or L:L or something. If not let them know they are off war DNH. Im sure most neutral clans wouldnt be upset if you did that.

I don't NEED to message FoCus to clarify anything. You wanna see the in game messages I got?

They're off MY war DNH but that matters little if their police are gonna retal my hits on them.

Mkay... was banned earlier for topping year old posts...

If SOTA were policing, for FOCUS, and you hit them... I would sent you a friendly reminder that they are on a war DNH. Any hits made after that by you would be fair game, as a warning was given.

But, not to sound like I am going easy, I would contact you over which ever IM is convenient for you, inform you of the War DNH and negotiate an acceptable retal without having to deathify your country for violating a War DNH.

as well. sorry. issue resolved.

Also... normally I would use the whole 'ignorance is no excuse for breaking the rules/law/etc...' line, but some people do not really read the boards as often as some of us professional message board spammers. If you didn't honestly know about the War DNH (and you couldn't really determine that they knew or not from the amount of hits made) so the discretion would have to be between the person who hit and the person making the negotiation on the retals.

If you agree to doing too few hits, you may make the mistake of being too lenient, and they might do it again with another country in the string claiming the same thing, or claiming to be a member who didn't get the message for any variety of reasons (e.g.: no site, mediocre leadership with half-assed activity, playing time restrictions, etc...)

If you get them to agree to a maiming instead of killing the country, you run the risk of them disliking you for it, and possibly making an enemy. Or... in the case of a few incidents this set, a few well negotiated retals weren't wholly agreed to by both parties, or an overzealous member hits 'Send' one too many times, (e.g.: SAS, MasterC, etc...) or something other than what one would consider a standard retal (i.e.: Rockman, no offense) and situations like this have turned nasty.

It all boils down to how well you can negotiate and what you can get the one who's going to be taking the hits to agree to.

how about messaging me instead of countless post about this.

cause ffat needs more posts?

Man, this kind of got all blown up and fluff cause you pissed me off and then it escalated for various reasos (points to Pain). I'm really not as mad as it might appear Greg. It's all good. It was the in-game smart ass comments that set me off.

Anyways, it's all good. One day next reset, I'll find a fat FoCuS jetter and topfeed it and I'll consioder us even at that point. ;)

You're still a sexy, sexy man, btw.

topfeeding FoCuS FTW!