Bomb Banks op - Earth Empires Forum

aponic

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Mar 21st 2011, 18:17:06

The Bomb Banks op is virtually worthless as is. How about putting some teeth into it. Assuming I have 1 billion in cash and my target has 2 billion, a successful op destroys something like 5 to 10 million in cash. Might as well strengthen it or delete it. Discuss.

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Rockman

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Mar 21st 2011, 18:21:31

Agree.

NukEvil

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Mar 21st 2011, 18:27:14

I think most of the harmful ops could use some bigger teeth...

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Rockman

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Mar 21st 2011, 18:34:06

I think the bomb airbases and cause dissension are fine in their damage, but pretty much everything else could use a boost.

If Bomb buildings works the way I was told it works (i.e. you can really only do significant damage to someone playing the same strategy as you), then it could use a boost, however it does do significant construction site damage (since everyone has construction sites).

Demoralize seems fine I'd say.

But the rest definitely do need a boost.

lincoln

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Mar 21st 2011, 20:37:01

i agree

i am sure detmer and W do also
dantzig is on record for agreeing with this

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Vic Rattlehead

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Mar 22nd 2011, 3:16:12

Yes, boost ops generally! Bomb buildings is terrible, completely pointless. Espionage is only OK if you are a fat indy producing tons of units on those turns, then it MIGHT be better than cashing endgame. More of the ops should benefit the country doing them. I should get more food for raiding food stores, I should take money when I bomb banks.

SR, CD, Demo and airbases are good. Banks, food stores, buildings and espionage need pumping up.

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W

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Mar 22nd 2011, 16:23:21

<- agrees. stronger or remove them and replace with more interesting ops (bunch of threads somewhere on this).

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Joker

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Mar 23rd 2011, 3:42:08

Spies = Elite.... !!!! or ????

Joker

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Mar 23rd 2011, 3:42:55

A very expensive Elite tho

Detmer

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Mar 28th 2011, 17:09:29

lincoln is right in that I in principle agree with strengthening spy opsm including bomb banks

paulie

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Mar 28th 2011, 17:22:45

agree with first post.. put more balls into it.

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trainboy

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Mar 28th 2011, 17:42:31

Agreed

aponic

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Mar 28th 2011, 18:20:39

Can an admin comment on this? My point is not that ops are weak, but that the Bomb Banks op is incredibly weak. Destroying 5 million in cash when the defender has 2 billion is just stupid. It should be at least 1% (20 million) and of course, based on the attackers cash on hand as well.

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Detmer

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Mar 28th 2011, 18:22:21

I am not sure attacker's cash on hand is relevant. I would say ratio of total spy count would be a better factor.

Thomas

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Mar 30th 2011, 12:00:10

I agree with Aponic 100%.

Espionage is another fine example of a wasted spy op. You get such a small percentage it's not worth it.

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Mar 30th 2011, 15:48:50

hm i haven't really looked at the spyops in a while; i know a few of them could use some rebalancing

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Chewi

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Apr 2nd 2011, 3:00:23

Bomb buildings is actually overpowered when used right.

aponic

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Apr 2nd 2011, 13:14:35

bomb buildings, demoralize, cause dissensions are all very useful.

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diez

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Apr 3rd 2011, 5:27:30

yeah.. bomb buildings seems to destroy more CSes than regular AB/BRs.. it's not underpowered most definitely.

Might only be my feeling tho..

ZDH

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Apr 3rd 2011, 6:10:09

I definetly agree the game should expand in this area as well...

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aponic

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Apr 3rd 2011, 22:40:12

Looking at all the improvements made over the past year and just recently in FFA, I doubt this is not already under discussion on the development forum.

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lincoln

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Apr 16th 2011, 16:09:48

this might be the thread qz meant when he said he responded

so he realizes that it needs to be considered and that a number of people are in favor of it

great

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Rockman

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Apr 16th 2011, 16:17:40

Originally posted by lincoln:

this might be the thread qz meant when he said he responded

so he realizes that it needs to be considered and that a number of people are in favor of it

great

If you actually read the thread, lincoln, the consensus is that most spy ops need strengthening, not just bomb banks. And they are not endorsing bomb banks as a method of suiciding people with stockpile, the way that you suggested.

Warster

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Apr 16th 2011, 16:22:51

actually he said that he hasnt looked at them for a while and some need rebalancing,

He didnt say that he realizes that it needs to be considered,

pang has already said " well I hope he'll understand that we're not touching how this single op works unless it's part of other overarching changes to a basket of game mechanics "

this issue has already had plenty of posts about it

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lincoln

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Apr 16th 2011, 18:02:25

with a dozen people all agreeing that this change should be made and not one person disagreeing, it would be strange if they did not act.

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Rockman

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Apr 16th 2011, 18:04:57

Originally posted by lincoln:

with a dozen people all agreeing that this change should be made and not one person disagreeing, it would be strange if they did not act.

No it wouldn't. There are plenty of changes that should be made, and this one isn't top priority. It would also be a more time consuming change to make, as compared to some other suggestions out there.

aponic

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Apr 16th 2011, 18:50:27

They will eventually get around to modifying the spy ops when they make a major change involving formulas. That is how I read it. Since they have been incredible in addressing concerns that lead to improved gameplay and playability, I cannot imagine that this does not get addressed in the near (6 month) future. Although I brought this up, my point was just to show -how- weak the op was. Per standard most attacks or ops are in the 5-10% range of effectiveness and with something sensitive like cash, in the 2-5% range. Bomb banks is considerably under 1%.

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Pang

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Apr 17th 2011, 4:19:38

ok seriously, if one more thread is started/topped on this fluff and I'm just going to start closing them all immediately.

stop cluttering an already cluttered board please

i disagree with making any standalone changes to bomb banks, so it's not likely to happen. if you haven't noticed, we're looking for ways to make it MORE difficult to suicide, not easier.
move on.

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dagga

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Apr 17th 2011, 11:28:11

This would be an attacking change, so don't hold your breath.

Defensive or pro-netgaining changes only :p

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Pang

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Apr 17th 2011, 15:15:41

dagga, you seem to be relapsing, which is rather unfortunate...

you are incorrect as usual though :)

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dagga

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Apr 18th 2011, 13:14:43

Banter. Lighten up!! :)

signatures are stupid.
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Pang

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Apr 19th 2011, 13:47:26

you lost your "right" to banter with me a long time ago :)

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