u guys on crack? wow lol

I have already said that if your stock gets grabbed it is part of the gamble. Hide it so it gets overlooked or defend it. IMO there should not be grabs made in the last 7-10 days of the set. That is all I have said about limiting grabs. No mention of anyone being exempt.

Why should there not be any grabs made in the last 7-10 days of the set? Why should a person no longer have to hide or defend their stock, or defend their land?

IMO there is nothing of value to be gained by grabbing in the last few days of the set.

But ultimately you should play how ever you feel is going to give you the best results at reaching your goals to make the game fun for you.

I also feel that someone should put another 60mil tanks on the market for $440.00, but that is also just my opinion :P

Double Post

Normally that is the truth, HOWEVER
under certain circumstances is good to grab others, even late in the set... for example, an NBKer goes and has an stock on hand of 6B, and then starts to sell Defense in order to improve the Cash he makes while cashing, is that country exempt of being grabbed? no I don't think so

Personally things would be fine if people used common sense.

You have a huge stock on hand? get enough defense to deter attackers, won't do that? hide your stock on the market in the form of bushels or oil.

Stock Hunting is annoying, but when you find a country with 11B on hand and 1M turrets... well that is just plain idioticy right there.

That is probably what Rockman meant, and I agree with him, there is no point in the set in with grabs are 100% bad for you, you just have to do the calcs.

I could go on a grabbing spree 2 days before the end and rape countries with lots of stock, that makes those grabs worth it, yeah would cause a rapture of missiles over my skies, but if they had that much cash on hand with such a poor defense is more their fault than mine.

this is NBK's first netting set, NBK grabbed for stock first so I don't think they should have the right to enforce this policy, nor any other clan unless you have a pact with said clans.

Who gives a fluff how much stock you have in NBK anyways, stocking takes a HUGE backseat to war and we all know that. Let the stock hunting war begin.. NBK should have all jumped to MBR's last week, kept 5 billion or so on hand and stock hunt the right way ;)

NBK should have a little more fun with their "netting" sets and reap the benefits of people who leave $70billion in their low defense countries, who cares if you get DOW'd on the more war the better.

I think its generally just an unwritten law out of respect amongst netters not to grab in the last week of set cause it just fluffs up peoples finishes that they might have put a lot of thought/calculation into and most people wouldn't want that happening to them.

shouldn't that be discussed BEFORE the last week of the set? lol

I can see what you mean Chaos, I was just applying too narrow of a view on my opinion. I was looking at my own countries with several million tanks and turrets each and calculating the replacement cost of those and the lost offense to retal and it would take over 2bil to replace the goods used to grab and retal. Your point of it only costing a few mil in jets to grab a few hundred mil in stock does make sense no matter what time of set it is.

Sorry, I guess I was not considering the fact that some countries do run with low or no defense.

well, this is the perfect thread to make that happen.
Lets have a gentleman's agreement NOT TO LG in the last 7-10 days of ANY SET. (wars don't count)

Simply because what havoc and a lot of others have said, the big netting clans are basically dumping stock and jumping NW in those last few weeks of the set. And they've no doubt calculated the money from said stock into their final NW.

And continual LG's would severely hinder that effort.
This set is almost ova, a new set will be starting up.
Create the thread on the boards, and EVERY GENTLEMAN agree to it, after all this is a game played for fun. And I know we all have fun playing it, (check how long YOU'VE been playing this game)

We have more than enuff issues to still get settled ......self farming......etc...etc,lets not add one more to the list. At least not until the list dwindles some.

Donny is a douche

That is all

Is this your twisted way of trying to get inside me Donny?

Not gonna happen.

Was gone for a while. Basically several clans wanted to not be grabbing this late in the set, and since NBK is generally the more grabbier the alliance, us stopping grabbing imo benefits everyone else more. We dont have the self farmed stockpiles other clans do, but we are just as capable of hitting people and messing their set for a few bil as anyone else.

Just to avoid silly disputes about people stealing cash all round, we will not be grabbing at this point in the set.

Technically you can still grab us at will, but keep in mind, NBK is basically making a DNH with everyone, if you are the only clan on the list of available people to grab, then you will be taking a lot hits from our, now, unused retallers.

Thanks K4F... Kind of makes me fell all "impotent" and stuff that you said the same thing I did where that I will not be making late set grabs for a few bil stock knowing that it hurts the stocker that spent their time building said stock and hurts relations more than it benefits me. Not that I could not make such grabs, just that I will refrain from doing so.

And reiterating that you can play this game however makes you happy and leads to you meeting your game playing goals.

Okay so K4F made his point more clearly than I could, but I am just a student of his ways ( a piss poor student mostly ) and still learning the rules of game play in EE.

right with you Khavic25, also, trying to get a handle on this math.

Complete side note of what we are talking about, but my best ever country just tiptoed over the 225mil NW mark and I think I peed my pants a little... Okay so I have had a few drinks today and should probably not have admitted that but hey WTF..... SUPREME NOOB just broke 225Mil NW. Woooooot Wooooot

Why only during the last 7-10 days of the set? People start stockpiling well before the last 7-10 days. If I have 15 billion cash on hand with 3 weeks left, why should I have to defend it, but if I have 25 billion cash on hand with 1 week left, I shouldn't be required to have sufficient military to defend it?

The idea of such a late starting prohibition on stock stealing rewards late stockers and penalizes early stockers. As someone who self-landtrades, this benefits me more than it benefits someone who doesn't self land-trade.


I think the rationale behind the prohibition on stock-stealing is interesting. Its almost identical to the reason why I believe that 1:1 retals should only apply to countries who make a reasonable effort to grow. If a country has very little to no stockpile late in the set, it shouldn't be grabbing countries with big stockpile, because its not making a serious effort towards netting. But at the same time, a country which is under half the size of the largest all-explore countries on the server is not making a serious effort towards netting, which is why it shouldn't be grabbing people who are netting.

I like seeing NBK taking a stand against countries who are not netting and grab countries that are netting out of malice. I just don't see how they can justify stock-stealing as bad, but land-stealing as good. The argument stated by Khavic, that stock-stealing is bad because you don't have the opportunity to get your stock back, means that 1:1 retals should only be appropriate when the country grabbed has a chance to get its land back. Thus, his reasoning provides justification for a limitation on 1:1 retals to only those who have a sufficient amount of land.

/me drop kicks Rockman


If a 4 days old country can grab your ass is completely and utterly your own fail as a player, taking into account it wasn't a pure jetter as that is a true fluff move.

If a 4 days old country finds a 40K acres country with a 10 jets break, then there is nothing to argue, also Stock Hunting is annoying, but if you don't even make an effort to hide it (have 20B cash on hand) then the same logic applies... could be a tad two faced, but is how I see things.

People that try to deter me, will usually get away with it, as I said none of my countries ever broke the 2M jets mark, and most didn't even break 1M... If I can grab your super fat country with such numbers, then is your own fail.

I think you missed the point of my post completely. I'm asking why the restriction on grabbing someone's stockpile should only be during the last 7-10 days of the set. This has nothing to do with whether or not a country is breakable by a 4 days old country.

The policy suggested clearly benefits self-farmers and penalizes those who do not do any self-landtrading. That will benefit my play style, but there is no logical basis for a prohibition on grabbing countries with stockpile to have a limit on time. Either it should be a complete prohibition, or it should be allowed at all times. Unless someone can give me a good reason why the arbitary 7-10 days left in the set time period has some reason to support it other than just being numbers pulled out of someone's ass (this ass belonging to Gmann, apparently).

they start stockpiling LONG B 4 the end of the set Rock, and start unloading LONG B 4 the end of the set.....mostly everybody anyway....then, there's always the few that still have stock left to unload, cause they super stored, and it's taking longer for them to unload it. It's just one more thing to add to a list of things. The question of grabbing SO LATE in the set, we can knock this subject around till..............


Bottom line, I agree, you should be able to protect your country/stock no matter how late it is in the set. And under most circumstances ALL stock is usually depleted by this time......but apparently, everbody wasn't able to unload all fast enuff, so here we are.....

The question is whether or not people want grabbing this late in the set, especially at this time with soo much stock still left in peoples stockpiles.

Maybe after the wars, the clans that were unable to stockpile got a late start, so they got a late start unloading. never the less, here we are again at this question........again

lol

Sounds good to me

Ah, I come from the Laf school of netting. If you aren't going MBR, then you don't even start destocking until there's about a week left in the set (unless are you a nub like LT).

So I like this proposed idea of not grabbing someone who has stockpile during the last 7-10 days, and it probably benefits me more than anyone else. Still, I'm going to argue that such a policy is not supported by any logical argument. So I guess I'm arguing against my own self-interest here.

<--Noob.

The main reason Rockman is that everyone gets pissed at us when we do it (Which we always did, lol) So to avoid drama with other netting clans, we are just stepping back altogether.

Does this mean NBK will not be grabbing alliances in the last 7-10 days of future resets?

It means that some of us won't be

lol

so then that means that some of you wont mind getting grabbed in the last 7-10 then (when you net)

same here Rock, my teacher is Forgotten (LaF)
when I play in 1A, I play with LaF. I haven't played in two sets due to the wars here (EE), and Mars2025. These two sertvers have been taking up all my spare time. But, you're right about when ur expected to start ur de-stock, but, everybody start at diff times based on their calculations.......I guess.

I'm pretty sure that many FFA players haven't done any calculations, and if they have, they did so improperly either due to faulty arithmetic or faulty assumptions.

lolol, IKN, I figure this is a math game. Everything is based on formulas from all the calcs I see people doing with regards to LGing, def /off....etc

I figures math is claculated with regard to stock (X amount of stock = so much NW). I know in LaF, they calculate how much stock I would need to finish in the 80M NW range as a rep/casher with 20K acres. Of course, I was in BC..........lolol

and that included a switch to theo/reseller, with about 7-10days left in the set. As my stock sold, I was to buy out my PM, if possible. then put more stock 2B worth on market.

They calc 4 me, kept a track of my progress and all, of course I didn't come near that mark. 80M...........lolol

I was close, but, I didn't stockpile enuff stock, it ran out with 5 days left in the set. I lost a lotta turns those last few days.

Hmm, that must have been a while ago if they had you go casher to MBR. Existence of the 2B bug still ... yep, that was a while ago. These days, LaF Rep Cashers dont switch to MBR, only the techers and farmers switch to MBR (and me, apparently, since every set that I've been in LaF in EE, I've not run a casher, techer, or farmer).

Be an oiler, then nP4u.

yes it was a while ago Rock, over three sets ago. I haven't played 1A in over three sets now. The setup is prollie diff now, when, i find sum more free time....IE(netting set)......lolol
I'm gonna get back in touch with Fallen.

Legit or those unaware who grab us, from this point on, shall receive stiff retals on a case by case..

Any attacks seen as stock hunting will be killed.

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What QM is saying is that now that they are doing decently well at netting, they are finding out that keeping enough military to deter people from grabbing your countries and it not being worth it for you to retal is inconvenient, and they want to run low defense countries and not properly defend their stockpiles.
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Rockman, how did you get that out of what I said?.. See above..


Anyone who runs low defensed countries will be grabbed, obviously..
But, in the last week or so.. These netters will have to extract their stocks back into their country, and will be vulnerable, at that point, for a short time. And it doesn't matter if they are well defended, or not..

I do hope you get that..

I noticed you have a major hardon for NBK... Why is that? You implied we cheat, and that we are bullies.. WTF dude?

I thought it was kinda nice of us to announce our intentions so there would be no misunderstandings..

I had to agreements, one with Pan, and one with TKO, for 10 day DNH's between our members, and yes, it is a shame that 'gentlemen' can't get with the non gentlemen, and cause some sort of dnh agreement for the last 10 days in every set.

There's 2 chances of this happening. Slim and none..

BTW, in no way have I dictated policy here.. I never said this is a rule that will be enforced on every clan in the FFA for ever..

It was to help keep my crew from causing a war this late in the set..

As someone mentioned, NBK has rarely been allowed to enjoy a full reset for netting. My intention was to keep that avenue open for all of NBK.

If you can't understand this, then I know not what else to say, except maybe.. where are you playing?