So you want me to just continue beating the fluff out of defensless untags like almost every tagged person in the server?

AWOL is real life. EE is a video game. Real life war requires signing a contract, EE requires my email address. There's a major difference.

The decisions in your clan are all made by one person. No voting system. Which is your clan's right. I didn't realize that until later in the set. Your philosophy of dying is OK as long as we get the tag kill is not my EE philosophy. So yeah, I AWOL'd in EE. Please call in the virtual firing squad.

@ZDH:
Nah- being aggressive is not neccessarily a bad thing, I'm just calling it as it is relative to how the other players play on the server. When you play that aggressive you have to be ready for attacks like those. That's all I'm saying.

you might wanna see DNHs landgrabbing last set Celphi.... don't know why you have such a hardon for us - but you're not improving your image here... you and Bibi should team up - he was teching today too, and did a random AB run earlier wasting turns

DNH farmed untaggeds.

xBADx, topfed DNH. Noobie member ended up doing 2 failed grabs as retals and piece of fluff xBADx killed 2 countries.

Funny how now we know that they begged Elders to not attack them so that they could blind side a tag of netters. 2 of which had just come back to this server and that did not return this round.

:) definitely didn't beg Fly.... we just had separate targets in mind... and now y'all have come to the dark side and blindsided xBaDx! welcome! isn't it fun!

:)

My biases stems from disliking BiBiGoN, so I get satisfaction from seeing his clan's demise. (A clan which has accepted him for multiple sets).

yet you play just like him?

he promised to fight this set btw... so we gave him one last shot... not going so well - haha

@Dreckon:
If you didn't beg, then Dissedent told his clan something different to protect you all.

I've killed BiBiGoN and many players alike solo. (ref 1).

(ref 1): http://earthempires.com/...evenge-34912?t=1434226834

did you seriously challenge to a 1v1 with a demo techer? wow... you have stones. ill give you that.

Every govt can war if built correctly. You just have to know how to play with their advantages.

Stupid comment... a demo is worthless in a 1v1... can't do squat but attack while others can while they regain readiness... and a techer makes it worse... go to the gym or something Celphi - lol

its not a defensible position to take. esp regarding a demo techer. perhaps youre just trolling

Just because you don't know how to war with one doesn't mean they're worthless.

sure. they are not worhless... but since not all govts are equal in war there must be a best and worst. or are you saying are all equal? incredible...

See how easily people place words in my mouth? Where do I say anything about 'equals'?

I said "all govt can war if built correctly."

On a side note- It's probably a bad idea to fail spy ops when you have 9mil food on hand. ( hint: Dreckon )

A demo techer would be the worst war strat possible. Only an idiot wouldn't convert to tyr immediately.

Worse than THEO techer? 60s max SDI?
Nah. So, that statement isn't exactly correct mrford.

Bullfluff. A demo takes 3 turns to hit and has no readiness turns. You literally can't tech at war unless you want to waste optimal hitting turns.

Lower SDI pales in comparison to turn efficiency.

ESPECIALLY in a 1v1.

I would have to disagree.

30 nukes (90 turns) (which actually land) > dmg from any 45 special attacks (90 turns)

You have 30 nukes? In a 1v1? You can't have a source of income and attack at the same time. That is by definition not good in a war. Demo is the worst war government there is. A demo techer is the worst of the worst.

You are wrong on this. I understand you like your math but experience says otherside. I doubt you will find many who agree with you.

I agree w Ford?? Must be cold as heck in hell today. :)

And come get that food if you dare Celphi. :)

What if I AB or BR your demo. How are you going to hit and rebuild? Not that it matters because you don't have an income anyways.

Why would you pick nukes as your example? They would hold the theos SDI at max anyways. If 15 of your 30 got through it would be a good day for you and you didnt use those missiless for readinesz. It took you 90 turns to get nukes through. Lol. I can just grab and rebuild for readiness. Demos can't do that.

@dreckon:
no need- it seems you need every resource available for Evo.

@mrford:
(in the xample of THEO vs DEMO techer) i can post a FFA test which tries the scenario. I think we both can agree that 45 GS isn't going to do much dmg, so it would have to be 45 ABs.

As a defender, a demo can get 64% medical, which means he's going to be losing significantly fewer tanks per turn. He's also not buying oil to attack. (Which at the moment is 700+ per barrel & has been for quite some time).

Meanwhile, a demo only has to get enough missiles to out dmg those 45 attacks (90 turns) then use the rest of the turns for production. Demo will likely come up on top vs THEO (depending on the luck of 60%).

I'll make a 10k land scenario on test and post the results.

Lol you don't understand that your perfect scenarios don't exist. Also, a 10k acre country can only have 40 missiles total. So it is doubtful you have more than 15 nukes.

And why is losing land on the Theo a bad thing? It can still have an income where as you cant. Efficiency in turns trumps everything else. The Theo can play more efficiently.

If you take production out of everything the demo can sent 30 missiles that he probably doesn't have in 90 turns. In those same 90 turns the Theo can make 39 hits and have readiness turns for 13 missiles or teching turns or spy ops or whatever.

The demo loses.

The Status of the Theocracy of q (#304)


Land 7738

Research Labs 6057 <---------------------------------------------

SDI 413,095 58.83%
Total 413,095

Tech Rate 1288



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The Status of the Democracy of q (#303)

Land 10,000
Research Labs 7123 <--------------------------------------

Warfare 500,000 5.477%

Tech Rate 2076



15 Nukes and 15 Chems fired total.

AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 76 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 75 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 74 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 74 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 73 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 73 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 72 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 72 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 71 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 70 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 70 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 70 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 69 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 68 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 68 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 67 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 67 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 66 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 66 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 65 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 64 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 64 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 63 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 63 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 63 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 62 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 61 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 61 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 60 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 60 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 60 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 59 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 59 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 58 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 58 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 57 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 57 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 57 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 56 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 56 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 55 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 55 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 55 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 54 B
AB Jun 14, 19:56 q (#304) q (#303) 54 B
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 500 A
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 475 A
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 451 A
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 429 A
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 407 A
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
NM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 310 B
15,620 C
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 297 B
13,589 C
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 285 B
11,823 C
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 274 B
10,286 C
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) DH
CM Jun 14, 19:57 q (#303) q (#304) 263 B
8948 C
CM Jun 14, 19:58 q (#303) q (#304) 252 B
7785 C
CM Jun 14, 19:58 q (#303) q (#304) DH

1288 vs 2076 tpt
DEMO does significantly more dmg with THEO at 58.81% (max possible tech for SDI). Which means the demo can stop earlier and rebuild.

The point I'm making is that you don't use all your turns to attack, you break up your turns: some for attacking and some for production.

5/15 nukes landed. 6/15 chems landed. That's 36% of missiles landed. Still out dmging the special attacks of 45 special attacks. Which doesn't account for the population lost for the THEO, the cost of oil or amount of tanks lost per attack.

its amazing. the lengths that youll go to not be completely wrong. now we have worked our way from "every govt can war if built correctly" to "yes but demo techer isnt the absolute worst choice."

+1

Lol. The Theo has missiles too. And while not as effective it's economy is still better AND the theo can still make more hits than the 3 turn per attack demo. This is a war, not a FS battle. The demo will lose. You can't math that away. Hell, it doesn't even look like you understand the concept of regaining readiness. The demo wastes turns recovering. The Theo doesnt.

In 91 turns the theo would make 39 hits and send 13 missiles or ops or tech turns or rebuilding. Did you even read my last post?

And just because you can ALMOST make a demo techer equal a theo techer doesn't make it a capable war country. They both suck ass. Anyone with half a brain would have switched to tyr if they had to war with a demo.

Why don't you 2 1v1 using your theories and quit arguing like women...

If we are arguing like women you are passing out unsolicited worthless opinions like one.

Celphi = BiBiGoN

What was it you said Celphi? something about being a strategist and not wanting to do kamikaze runs to hurt your own country??

How'd you finish?? You do realize that 4 kamikaze gung ho countries actually would've finished ahead of you? however, we play this game the way we want to. we get enjoyment from warring. its a break from the monotonous tedium of netting. You are the worst kind of team mate. More worried about your own country than helping your team out. to the point that you make pointless AB runs against a country, that we eventually killed for you thinking, he might come around now. do you really think a true team is ever going to accept you knowing that you can't be counted on when the time comes to fight? Oh and lets not forget your Team is meant to help one member get to the top philosophy. You know your coding, you've proven you cannot be trusted to keep private matters private, and you've proven you don't know a damn thing about the actual game that is played here. You like to be #1?? Well congratulations, you've become the #1 asshat of this server.

I would like to thank you for the Mil strat thingy, we didn't know about it before you came. So, yeah, you helped us kill things a little bit easier. As for your 48hr spy strategy, thank you for that too. :) Provided us with some great entertainment.

ya. i will admit that i didnt know mil strat killed more civs. thanks for that ofc. but its not like you made yourself invaluable to us.

It seems I've stepped on another person's feelings. There's a long line waiting for you. ;)

Also, there's more to ABs runs than just destroying buildings, but with your style of play I wouldn't expect you to understand.

As for your final question: do you really think a true team is ever going to accept you knowing that you can't be counted on when the time comes to fight? Yes- it's called LaF. Ever heard of it?

So are you leading in AB hits there too? haha

didnt you quit laf last set because you refused to believe that a 5k dict techer running a large cash deficit would be crap in war?

ya... i have sources

I have solo kills with GS's & BR's. Sometimes the better strategy is to AB. It all depends on the country I'm attacking.

@dissident:
Your resources failed you miserably. LaF wanted to run 20k techers and be ready for war @ turn 1500 and I knew it was not possible and my suggestion fell on deaf ears. The end result was me leaving before the war and LaF losing mostly to SPAL attacks by SoL. Nothing about dictators or 5k is remotely in the discussion.

In Enshula's defense, he didn't know about the [nerf] dropping below 80% of your max population significantly affects your production.

Please provide proof of a solo (single country) GS or BR kill on an active country not on the express server.

i did it on the alliance server! had turns left over too.

@elvesrus:
"I have solo kills with GS's & BR's."

Am I missing something here? Where does it say anything about non-EXPRESS?

And FYI, it is very possible to get a kill on TEAM solo.

In express I have warred as a demo techer and while I had a difficult opponent. I easily outmissled, outhit and outgrew them. They just couldn't keep up with my economy. Since I had alot of tech, lots of missles and got the FS I easily outgrew him. To the point where he couldn't successfully break my defenses.

^^^ Exactly.

you outclassed your opponent from the start then. your economy isnt fluff once you are half unbuilt and cant rebuild for readiness. demos cant recover and hit at the same time. you are forced to sell down or hopefully you have stock. otherwise you are fluffed like a football bat. it is as simple as that. when facing a capable opponent that uses turns efficiently you lose every time.