Break math is off? or game is broken

mrcuban

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:03:34

I thought I read on the wiki somewhere that your def allies can only add maximum 10% of your military strength. So let's say that i have 1m def break points. That means with 2 def allies they can add an additional 100k def points for a total break of 1.2m without tech?

A country I just tried to break at 100% readiness and no weapons tech had:

193k troops x .6 - 116k
705k turrets x 1 - 705k
20k tanks.x 3 - 60k

total break points of 880k. Assuming the 10% def ally is correct i can add 180k def ally points for a total of 1.06m def points.

Now i sent 1.6m jets with 15% weapons tech and failed...

DruncK

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:11:53

Maximum of double your defense pts

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:22:09

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

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ebert00

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:34:21

Originally posted by Pang:

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

but that is the american way. it is never my fault.. always someone else to blame.

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:53:23

I think your defense points per unit is off a bit too...

Someone ask Qz / Pang to remove my 10 year ban!

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Dec 29th 2018, 23:54:43

Originally posted by ebert00:

Originally posted by Pang:

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

but that is the american way. it is never my fault.. always someone else to blame.

Nothing is ever my fault, ever.

Someone ask Qz / Pang to remove my 10 year ban!

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Dec 30th 2018, 0:11:36

Thanks Obama

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LittleItaly

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Dec 30th 2018, 3:27:28

mrcuban repeatedly posts this type of thread all the time with those same incorrect values. He should really learn how to look up his old threads to remind himself the answer to his miscalculation woes.

http://www.earthempires.com/...antage-45005?t=1525412041

http://www.earthempires.com/...k-calc-44339?t=1514675202

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Dec 30th 2018, 3:44:13

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

Ziiiiinnnnggg

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Dec 30th 2018, 4:01:50

Yeah LOL, that's gonna leave a scar hahaha

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Dec 30th 2018, 4:08:03

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

I was wondering how many of these he's made.

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Dec 30th 2018, 4:24:56

hmmm i surely do wish i could be a fly on the wall tp all those peeps here with perfect memories when its their time in life to FORGET LIKE all us other old folks

may them memory bug bite you in your pefect asses HARD when its your time

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Dec 30th 2018, 5:51:51

What he say??????

DruncK

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Dec 30th 2018, 6:49:29

I think he was trying to tell us he forgot to take his pills

Purposeful1

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Dec 30th 2018, 7:29:33

rofl, reading his second post where gerdler is calling him out on already posting the same question.... i'm dying.

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Dec 30th 2018, 8:38:36

Game is broken. Pang fix game

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Dec 30th 2018, 9:41:48

Originally posted by Pang:

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

Classic statement, Pang. :)

I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!

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Dec 30th 2018, 9:42:32

Originally posted by ebert00:

Originally posted by Pang:

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

but that is the american way. it is never my fault.. always someone else to blame.

Hey, Ebert, not every American is a leftist tool, or democrat.

I don't need anger management, people need to stop pissing me off!

Marshal

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Dec 30th 2018, 11:22:46

Originally posted by LittleItaly:

true dat but then we would lose entertaining.

Originally posted by sinistril:

I was wondering how many of these he's made.

several (prolly made bug report about it too).

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mrcuban

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Dec 30th 2018, 22:17:32

Yes my bad for being lazy. I'll the blame the UI for being easier to create a new post. I'm glad you guys got some entertainment value from the post. At least its something, nothing else going on here...

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Dec 30th 2018, 22:30:28

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

What he say??????

Lmfao

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Marshal

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Dec 30th 2018, 22:32:31

i'm pretty sure me or some1else posted correct values to 1 of your threads.

Gerdler

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Dec 31st 2018, 16:50:51

Originally posted by mrcuban:

193k troops x .6 - 116k
705k turrets x 1 - 705k
20k tanks.x 3 - 60k

you are just trolling. this is what; your 6th or 7th such thread in 2 years time?

You keep using the wrong values for all units and saying the game is wrong not you. You are wrong. And this is just a troll post you keep doing every 6 months. What purpose does it serve?

Marshal

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Dec 31st 2018, 20:17:08

ally sends 25% of its standing army to help on attack.

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Dec 31st 2018, 20:22:35

Gerdler sighting!

Requiem

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Dec 31st 2018, 22:59:22

Originally posted by Pang:

Defense allies send up to 25% of their forces; combined ally strength can at most double your total defense as DruncK said.

No need to assume things are broken because you failed a grab :p

LMAO

Someone ask Qz / Pang to remove my 10 year ban!

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 1st 2019, 2:25:33

Yeah, that was savage status reply by Pang LOL

major

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Jan 1st 2019, 2:52:34

Cuban, your post always entertain me, and yet here you come again... Please stay in the game lol. your country #, btw?

KoHeartsGPA

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Jan 1st 2019, 6:06:57

Look for the bouncer

mrcuban

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Jan 1st 2019, 8:42:29

Originally posted by major:

Cuban, your post always entertain me, and yet here you come again... Please stay in the game lol. your country #, btw?

All i can say is its above yours :P

Edited By: mrcuban on Jan 1st 2019, 22:09:58

AnimalP0P

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Jan 2nd 2019, 4:01:58

Originally posted by mrcuban:

193k troops x .5 = 96k roughly (rounded up for mental math)
705k turrets x 1 = 705k
20k tanks.x 2 = 40k

Raw break = 841k (assuming zero tech/ gov difference)

Now double the raw and add 10 - 15% more for Mehul effect.

Given this fictitious example I would send 1.75 mil on a SS. I am a horrbile grabber though so, someone correct my mistakes please.

Requiem

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Jan 2nd 2019, 4:50:38

As I’ve told galleri, 5 million wont fail.

Someone ask Qz / Pang to remove my 10 year ban!

justtaint

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Jan 2nd 2019, 5:35:15

Originally posted by AnimalP0P:

193k troops x .5 = 96k roughly (rounded up for mental math)

You rounded down.

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Jan 2nd 2019, 13:48:25

842k would be raw break with 0 weap and no def alliies as non-rep/dict (so 500 jets oversend) so with pangqz factor raw break (as non-rep/dict, no allies, no weap) would be 927k (842k+85k).

mrcuban

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Jan 3rd 2019, 0:09:49

@marshall I sent 1.6m with 11% weapons tech and failed. The only way it fails is that the def ally (which had 0 weapons tech) matched his def, which it did not (had 60% of original country) . So it should have passed, but failed. Which was my original concern.

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Jan 3rd 2019, 4:30:24

Did you spy the correct ally?, Maybe you missed a didgit on the ally and totally got the wrong guy and thought it was the one you initially thought it was...

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Jan 3rd 2019, 9:15:25

In most cases you would break mrcuban. It's not often a bot will have the maximum double defensive points from allies.

842k (raw break) + 842k (max defence from allies) + 10% (Mehul factor) = 1.85m break

This is more than the 1.6M + 11% Weapons tech you sent.

As others have mentioned, if you want a guaranteed break, assume all bots have x2 defence.

Goodluck with your set, I expect to see a PB from you!

galleri

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Jan 3rd 2019, 14:06:29

Yeah just send 5 mil. Works every time.

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mrcuban

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Jan 4th 2019, 0:43:45

@table4two cheers I am aiming for that PB but I think i've gotten as best I can on my current strats... :)

AnimalP0P

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Jan 4th 2019, 2:02:25

Originally posted by justtaint:

Originally posted by AnimalP0P:

193k troops x .5 = 96k roughly (rounded up for mental math)

You rounded down.

Oops. Who needs math

Gerdler

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Jan 4th 2019, 3:03:44

you guys math too much and spy waaaaay too much. Grabbing 300-600 times per set is work enough when only basing the send on a quick glance on nw, land, govt on eestats.

galleri

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Jan 4th 2019, 3:07:17

LaF just taught me to send 50 mil. No fails.

sinistril

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Jan 4th 2019, 3:12:50

Originally posted by Gerdler:

you guys math too much and spy waaaaay too much. Grabbing 300-600 times per set is work enough when only basing the send on a quick glance on nw, land, govt on eestats.

If Cuban listens to no other advice in this thread, this is the one to listen to

Also, do people actually spy allies too? To save a few jets max? D'oh

Edited By: sinistril on Jan 4th 2019, 3:20:24
See Original Post

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Jan 4th 2019, 3:53:35

Spy all of the countries, all of the turns.

Someone ask Qz / Pang to remove my 10 year ban!

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Jan 4th 2019, 5:05:47

Originally posted by Gerdler:

you guys math too much and spy waaaaay too much. Grabbing 300-600 times per set is work enough when only basing the send on a quick glance on nw, land, govt on eestats.

math or meth? I mean, is it a messed up situation or a methed up situation?

Oceana

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Jan 4th 2019, 12:11:06

Isn't there still a 10% Mehul factor built in??

Marshal

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Jan 4th 2019, 13:58:32

Originally posted by sinistril:

Also, do people actually spy allies too? To save a few jets max? D'oh

few, bots das militaries tend to vary quite much so sending double of estimated break can be quite a big oversending.

Originally posted by Oceana:

Isn't there still a 10% Mehul factor built in??

yes

mrcuban

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Jan 4th 2019, 22:03:23

Originally posted by Gerdler:

If Cuban listens to no other advice in this thread, this is the one to listen to

Also, do people actually spy allies too? To save a few jets max? D'oh

I don't usually spy all for bot grabs, but since this one failed got me thinking. Im currently only at 90% success rate at 203 grabs this set. Not sure if that is on par with the top guys for grabbing. I'm close to t10 on land as well.