Food Prices - Earth Empires Forum

oldman

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Dec 18th 2012, 14:23:57

Originally posted by xinwei:

is it time to destock now?

of course not, it will stay high for at least another week!

Xinhuan

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Dec 18th 2012, 14:35:01

Yes! You should destock now! The food price will crash soon!

BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:01:04

Originally posted by xinwei:

is it time to destock now?

no way, people aren't even stocking much yet and food is sky high.

Xinhuan

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:05:17

You two, don't spoil my master plan, shoo!

kmang

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:30:31

But I thought we'd opt to destock whilst the price is still high? No?

A single country destock would crash the market? :P

Xinhuan

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:37:18

A single country wouldn't crash the market, but 2-3 countries can, especially if they have a lot of stock.

Also note that today, avg jet price over last 24 hours increased by $15 dollars while it increased $8 on turrets. Military prices on the rise again.

BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:39:23

does this mean C/I has a chance this set?

Xinhuan

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:39:28

Also note that

48-72 hours ago, 336m food sold.
24-48 hours ago, 332m food sold.
0-24 hours ago, 443m food sold.

oldman

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:40:46

^propaganda to get you to destock so someone can buy them cheap!

The smart ones should be able to discern!

BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:41:08

that seems like a lot of food.

blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:43:07

None of my food SOs have been going through lately because I already had 3 SOs and I didn't realize what was going wrong. Whoops.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 15:51:54

some demo must be playing the market with that much food being sold, or am I wrong?

Xinhuan

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Dec 18th 2012, 16:03:57

Well, 332m food at $59 is 19.5b (ignore tax). The big countries (> 50k) can easily produce 1b to 1.5b a day, even the medium ones can produce half of that.

The big countries (>50k land) eat 3m food a day, so just counting food consumption of the 20 or so such countries is 60m food already... The next 40 countries at half their land also eat that much (half the land but twice as many countries). So that accounts for another 60m food. I'll make a wild guess the remainder countries eat another 40m food. So half the food volume is just daily consumption.

The rest is probably just normal stocking at about 10m food a day per stocking techer, and a bit more for cashers.

So I think you're wrong Bobby :P

BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 16:18:14

I guess the question is how much are cashers actually stocking yet. Last I saw, with all the biz/res tech still being sold (6M+ of each in last 72 hours), the answer is not much.

But about today is when everyone is into stocking mode to some degree, and that makes sense with the increase in food being bought. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see food market empty out btw..

BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 16:28:55

also #5's NW changes indicated buying/selling lots of food. I think. Correct me if I'm wrong on that heh

blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 16:49:32

Nah that's from a range of SOs on all types of commodities, plus tech alliances, tech selling, etc., it's not any market manipulation.

Edited By: blid on Dec 18th 2012, 17:06:41
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 17:14:54

Rob

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Dec 18th 2012, 17:41:24

Bushel market will start to trend downwards in in 3-4 days max. MIlitary is rising. Im confident techers will start to destock soon with tech prices this low to capitalize on high bushel prices and cheaper military.

AndrewMose

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Dec 18th 2012, 17:52:46

I doubt there is a techer with more than 200M bushels stocked. $12B +/- some won't take long to spend and will waste quite a bit of turns. Of course the other option is to get to 350M stock and sell for $36. :) The choices a techer has to deal with. At this point it is just the pride of being the top techer at the end.

Rob

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Dec 18th 2012, 17:56:10

I think there are 2 techers with over 200m bushels right now.

Thats why ive given up on teching - its just so painful playing a techer in a 2 month set and the market crashing knowing you dont have a chance no matter how well you play

blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 18:18:02

LOL, try 100m, Rob.

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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Serpentor

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Dec 18th 2012, 19:10:47

This is so funny, everyone trying to manipulate each other to help their own stock & destock.

A little birdie told me military is going to skyrocket tomorrow. Better dump your stock for cheep while you can and buy all the turrets before they reach $200!!!!!

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blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 19:14:07

Military is going up because the biggest commie hasn't played for 2 days. It'll go back down when he logs in

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 19:43:59

Originally posted by blid:

Military is going up because the biggest commie hasn't played for 2 days. It'll go back down when he logs in

He just played and military prices are still high!?!?!?!

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Dec 18th 2012, 19:49:29

Dang it, Bobby...takes few hrs for commodities to get to market...

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blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 19:52:45

Oh cool, I'm glad he was able to get a connection!

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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crest23

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Dec 18th 2012, 20:00:02

Originally posted by KoHeartsGPA:

Dang it, Bobby...takes few hrs for commodities to get to market...

Lol, bobby's spoken like a total noob.

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BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 20:15:25

hehe I don't mind my turrets sneaking through sold before his get to market. I wonder what prices he sent at tho=)

crest23

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Dec 18th 2012, 20:26:05

Hopefully a few of you overrun turns getting greedy :-)

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OneMansArmy

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Dec 18th 2012, 21:33:49

Originally posted by BobbyATA:

some demo must be playing the market with that much food being sold, or am I wrong?

Would you make more cash as a Demo with no market commissions by buying and then selling bushels each day at a higher prices, using each days sale to buy more for the next day. Or stocking all bushels up and selling them at some price you think is as high as it will, go or when you need to destock?

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
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BobbyATA

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Dec 18th 2012, 21:43:19

OMA: Buying at 40, selling at 46, buying at 45, selling at 50, buying at 48... selling at 65

is better then
Buying at 40, selling at 65. (as a demo)

blid

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Dec 18th 2012, 22:01:46

You can't always sell at 46, buy at 45, especially since prices are steadily rising. You may end up selling at 46 and buying at 47. Also, if you have cash on hand from selling tech or just in general, you can already put out SOs for the cheap food. I don't see a reason to attempt something like Bobby's example in Primary. To make a noteworthy profit you'd have to shuffle 10s of millions of bushels and there definitely haven't been 10s of millions of bushels selling under $60, for example, because I've had SOs out and haven't got them.

Edited By: blid on Dec 18th 2012, 22:14:18
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Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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Serpentor

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Dec 18th 2012, 22:18:38

Turret prices will rise again.

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Xinhuan

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Dec 19th 2012, 3:32:12

So, all the commies have decided to hold turns? lol

bstrong86

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Dec 19th 2012, 4:55:23

when is an appropriate time time to switch to TMBR ??? ithink i may have fluffed my set up...

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OneMansArmy

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Dec 19th 2012, 6:12:52

Originally posted by bstrong86:

when is an appropriate time time to switch to TMBR ??? ithink i may have fluffed my set up...

"If there is X turns left in the reset, then you want A = B to match

A = (Stock + future stock gained over M turns)
B = (Amount of money it takes to buy out your PM over N turns of regen)

where M+N = X."

This helped me, Thank Xinhuan.

Other than Earth Empires I also play Battlefield games:
http://www.youtube.com/user/UneManArmy/featured

bstrong86

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:09:25

im not talking about destocking, making the switch from theo techer to tmbr as a strat...? im doing okay it seems, in the top 75 right now with it..jus curious if i switched to early or if i shldnt have at all
...

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Xinhuan

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:14:51

OMA/bstrong86: Switching to Theo only works if you have a huge BPT to convert using less than maybe 2-3 days of turns, and if you aren't too large in NW.

If you are say 20m NW, converting governments alone will cost you maybe 25% of your BPT. If you're 30m NW, converting governments is pretty much kills a little more than 1/3 of your CSes (BPT).

The conversion costs for a country larger than 30k land also makes it not worthwhile 90% of the time.

blid

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:18:12

What if I put all my bonuses into building costs?

Originally posted by Mr. Titanium:

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Magellaan

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:26:04

A theo techer doesn't need to switch governments of course.

But I doubt it's really worth it.

Not MD, fake Magellaan.

bstrong86

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:27:03

well, i nvr have finished a primary set ..war usually gappens or i hget bottom fed into submission...

i already was a theo..maxed my techs out, tore dwn labs..took 2 days to rebuild MB...

IDK i never make this far nto primary set , thought i try it out..netting 2-3 mill nw a daay off reselling...first few days hurt me ghough...military prices so low i wasnt selling enough, now though it aint so bad

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LATC

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Dec 19th 2012, 15:40:43

Serp, turret prices are at $480... what did you do!

Originally posted by Xinhuan:

Are you guys stupid or what?

Xinhuan

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Dec 19th 2012, 16:42:40

Originally posted by blid:

What if I put all my bonuses into building costs?

It generally doesn't outweigh the benefits of -expenses, and spending turns with positive income until the very last turn of the set.

Once you're a TMBR, you spend 0 turns for the rest of the set and make no income for your entire destock period.

BobbyATA

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Dec 19th 2012, 17:09:45

once you're a tmbr -expenses doesn't help all the much either... I've never looked at building versus expenses for different strategies, just assumed someone else had since we all just do expenses heh.

Serpentor

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Dec 19th 2012, 17:57:28

They will get there again. Get em while their hot!

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Xinhuan

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Dec 21st 2012, 2:14:30

Woohoo, food fell $2 today! Gogo destock!

AndrewMose

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Dec 21st 2012, 2:19:27

historically the food peak is the 47th day. today was the 45th. nobody has a 14 day destock.