ya.. basically replace cashing with that and you can select from a menu of one or the other. Increase oil, or cash, or farm, or industry by 20%, instead of just cash of 20% by default.

just rmb to use it

boo hoo

Oh. Scripts are off so never see that feature. Yep. Classic trolls. If they have something to say they should just use their normal account to say it.

You're a multi if you run more than one account in this game, according to the rules. Unless you can generate multiple forum IDs from the same main account.

Anyway, since the asking price is from a SO from countries in the set, then maybe bots should take advantage of it too.

How many actual humans play this game? I bet there must be an inflation factor due to some members clearly running at least one or more multis. And nobody is banning them. Clearly this 17 oil guy is a multi by a regular here.

No, but the asking price on market items are always changing in price. Who is setting that number?

In the real world like the stock market or commodities market in open continuous trading, the asking price is set by real buyers. In the absence of real buyers at any particular point in time, people take the middle man role called market makers. They are both the buyer and the seller of goods. Basically their involvement leads to less sudden price changes and smooths the price transition based on supply/demand. In the past they were human, and nowadays they are mostly bots.

Anyway, my point is I don't think there is such a role here. Again I don't know how this game works. Who sets the number for the "asking price" on the market screen? This number always changes. I don't know if this is a purely random number generated by the server and they are the buyer of all of that good at that price, or if they are from real standing orders from the countries in that set.

The point is there is no 'standard' price for anything. Anything can be priced from $0 to infinity. It is the job of the market with buyers and sellers to decide the price of any good in a free economy. This is called price discovery.

But here, its different. Because the market is so thin, people use it as a method to cheat and funnel cheap goods to themselves. So that cheap oil for example, they buy up the expensive stuff to expose the cheap stuff and they buy all the cheap stuff.

To stop this, you just need someone to step in as the middle man. The market maker. There is no such role here like that I don't think. I suppose people can play 'market maker' as part of their gaming strategy. But that is again depending on how the asking price mechanism in this game works. Whether they are from real orders or some fake thing the server puts up.

Who controls the asking price of public market items? Thats just some random thing the server controls right? Or are they from real standing orders?

The way to control people pretending to be trolls running multis while really funneling cheap oil and other goods to their main account with the public market is to create a more stable price discovery mechanism on the public market. Some there needs to be something like a market maker that is the middle man who buys everything and sells everything in the middle. I prevents people from clearing out the market and exposing ridiculous orders like 17 oil.

Really? Not for me. Weird. Might be that one time. I can try again next time. Which server did you try it in?

I just did an experiment where I allowed the bonus 3 turns that were acquired from logging in, during a time when my turns were maximum at 120, to go through the next turn clock cycle without using it. My stored turns bank was not filled at the time and was fully capable of taking more turns.

For example, my country had 120(50) before logging in. After logging in, it shows 123(50) because of the 3 bonus points. I let it lapse until the next turn cycle.

What I wanted to see was 120(54) where the 3 bonus points are shifted to stored turns and +1 from the clock. Unfortunately what I got was 120(51). Basically the 3 bonus turns are destroyed.

Is this done on purpose or can there be a fix? Basically if you are 123 or 126 turns because of the login bonus, use it right away because it doesn't shift over to stored turns.

I understood what you said.

My point is everyone who buys the cheap oil is an automatic suspect. Again, being a suspect doesn't mean you are guilty.

Someone is only cheating if the seller of the cheap oil is also benefiting from the cheap oil sale, which means he is also a buyer of the cheap oil because he was running a multi. There can be no cheating if the seller of the cheap oil is not benefiting from it somehow.

Coordination in a solo game is also not allowed. Even if someone is not running a multi. In the same token, the seller and the buyer are both guilty.

The only other case left is a solo troll out to mess around. He is intentionally, in his own free will, selling cheap goods to mess with the market. In this case there are no cheaters. It is behavioral action by an individual. It is not illegal and there is no wrong doing and this is a waste of time.

In the hunt for cheaters, finding the seller of the cheap oil is important. But only half the battle. The other half is finding the one benefiting from it. Both the buyer and the seller need to be punished. Whether that is one person running a multi, or two or more people coordinating in a solo game. You can't just punish the seller without punishing the buyer. They are both cheating.

So again, two outcomes should come from this. (1) Nothing happens because its just a solo person trolling and selling super cheap stuff to mess around. In which case case closed and this is a waste of time. or (2) both the buyer and the seller are cheating. This can be in the form of a multi (same person) or coordination in a solo game (two or more people).

So thats why looking at the buyers is important too.

Now, it could also be a rogue bot that went crazy. Buying everything at whatever high price. Selling goods at whatever low price. Basically being retarded. That would deserve mod attention too.

But here are a few suspicious traits to look out for IMO.

-Anyone who bought the cheap oil is a suspect.

-Furthermore from the above, anyone who has an additional need for lots of oil, such as if they were warring becomes more suspicious.

-Anyone who's country makeup involves almost no or little oilrigs, knowing that they would be getting their oil via the cheap market route, so they have been focusing on developing their economy or building units.

-Anyone who puts a standing order for the oil at a low price is a suspect, unless that is a standard MO of that particular individual every single round, and he never normally benefits from the cheap oil.

Also, is it common for people to put a SO for a commodity at a ridiculous price? I don't think many people do that. Sure, it costs nothing. Maybe everyone should do that. Put a standing order for everything in the market for a ridiculous price hoping it fills. But that is ridiculous. Its like some stock trader who puts a buy limit order for stocks at ridiculous prices hoping someone fills the order and they make an instant profit. It never happens though, so nobody every does it. So you'd have to wonder what the motivation is, for this tremendous insight into putting a SO on a commodity at a ridiculously low price. That would be suspicious behavior also.

That logic doesn't make sense.

If you're warring, that is exactly when cheap oil is good for you. Using turn after turn to send hundreds of thousands of units to war takes a lot of oil. Between spending 100% on industrial complexes to focus on replenishing units or someone else who has to spend 60% IC and 40% oil rigs (or any combination), clearly 100% IC and cheap oil from the market is a better combo. But of course, only one guy could be cheating in that scenario.

Celphi: I disagree. There are two situations.

One. The cheater is funneling cheap oil from a multi to benefit his main account. In this case, clearly the likely suspects are the ones that are benefiting from the cheap oil. You'd clearly start there if there was any sort of investigation. Being a suspect is not guilty. But clearly anyone that benefits from the cheap oil has to be a suspect.

Two. Someone is trolling or just messing around in the round. Not playing seriously. Selling cheap oil and cheap units for the sake of it. For fun. To troll. If this was the case, then there is no case here. Case solved. This thread is pointless. So your initial complaint is a moot point.

Thats why I'm not understanding your perspective. Clearly you're pointing this out because you must think it is an unfair advantage someone is getting due to the former scenario. If it is the latter, it is not worth spending any more time talking about it. You'd have to investigate to know. But even if you knew who was doing it, there is nothing to gain. If someone is trolling or wasting time, there is nothing wrong here. Its only if they are cheaters that it matters for the mods.

Like all investigations, just follow the money trail.

Its probably whoever got to benefit from the cheap oil. Probably allows them to not have any oil rigs and just keep pumping out troops. Probably a guy running multis and having one account do all oil and funneling cheap stuff to his main country.

I nominate you to take that spot to war him. I already resigned to his superiority. Ive said ti many times.

I think he still wants to prove to us he can KR 16 in 30 hours. So I'd like to see him prove that. I bet you can prove him wrong.

Yeah, a lot of netters might have most of their land on research if they are teching. And hitting a techer when you are full on warbuilt will not end in a fair fight, even if they didn't all get wiped out. I mean, you'd have to spend money and turns to rtake down research and buy other unit, stock or revenue generating buildings to be able to have a chance. Which means they've lost basically. That is why most of the time, these warring clans that pick on netters win. Because it wasn't a fair fight.

You see, a lot of criminals and the criminally insane act on violence due to psychosis or lack of intelligent perception of their environment. They perceive the world they experience wrong because of a neurological malfunction, lack of intelligence, or both. The reasoning behind it isn't what matters. Ultimately they act on impulse and take actions based on their inability to perceive the world correctly.

You're saying someone talked about your family. When there was no such thing. It was in fact the result of your lack of comprehension and your lack of intelligent perception of your environment and the sound application of logic, that lead to your incorrect conclusion. And so, all the actions you take subsequent to that, are the result of this neurological condition. This is often a sign of a very dangerous person in society. People who 'go off' for random reasons for nothing more than their inability to read what is actually happening.

I'll give you examples. There are crazy people that would 'get angry' at people in the public for not holding doors for them. They think its a slight. So they fight them. These people often end up getting thrown in a psychiatric facility eventually. They are a loose cannon unfit for society.

So, I ask again. Prove to me where anyone talked about your family. Because nobody did. Its all in your head. Apart from being angry and impulsive, there is nothing more dangerous than someone who simply doesn't have the mental fortitude to analyze situations correctly, and then acting on them. Very dangerous indeed.

Here is the interesting thing about the psyche of a narcissist. They don't perceive their actions to show double standards. Its a psychological and neurological malfunction in a part of the brain. They can only see things from their own perspective. They lack empathy and they think all of their actions are just, as it is benefiting them. There is never an internal debate about conflicts of one's actions to a narcissist. No. That part of the brain doesn't function. Its always about self preservation and personal advancement. Which means they can lie, cheat, have double standards, and be completely oblivious. They are like animals with basic animalistic instincts of survival of the fittest. Lacking probably the one single most important trait we call 'human' and that is empathy.

Its not touching your face is it? Why are you slapping people again? Anger issues perhaps?

Stop trying to change the topic. Quote it now. I'd like to see it. In the process you will demonstrate to the rest of the world as to your level of comprehension skills and you ability to apply logic. GO ahead. I await.

All the bots will fight whoever he doesn't like. And his AI name selection scheme might be a little, shall we say, bigoted. His southern charms and all.

And who wants to be associated with someone talking bad about an entire religion of people (note: ford doesn't like Jewish people apparently... he is from the south afterall).

Also, I know you can't read. But point to me where I talked about your family. Go ahead. Quote it. I want you to prove to all of us, by yourself in your own words, while using as much of that noodle as you can, how inept you really are at comprehension and application of logic.

You see Celphi, to a narcissist, they are always right. No matter the situation. They ARE the center of the universe. So they are both the victim when the situation calls for. And they are the abuser. They are anything and everything as long as they perceive it advances their agenda or their well being. Its a unique specimen of human psychopathy.

I'm just making it clear because apparently some folks are a little slow, have poor comprehension and have an inability to apply logic.

Don't change the topic when we were discussing how you fail to apply logic. And how you are a bigoted racist. Angry little person. Compulsive. Likely violent and abusive. And likely to have served time.

No. Zero days. I don't play your stupid little games. So that means I've lost whatever stupid challenge you pose. It also means zero days not three, which means you FS right now if you must do it. What? chicken? I've already lost. You don't win twice. You've already won. But I've already opened the doors to anyone who wants to take your challenge. ANd if they do, then they do. May the better man win!

Thats not the definition of ignorance. There was no display of ignorance on my part in regards to this. You see I never denied anything. I would have to make a statement to deny say the existence of something, for you to call me ignorant by pointing something exists. I did no such thing. You need to work on logical deduction here.

You pointing out there are organizations named like this is no display of ignorance on my part. Quite the contrary. It actually says more about you because you used this name. It exposes your beliefs and your insensitivity to religious freedom and a bias against Jewish people. Afterall, that organization seeks to change people from being Jewish to being Christian, clearly indicating favorites and opinions of what is superior/inferior.

Meanwhile, the rest of us in modern, open, libertarian societies in the center, won't even think about stuff like this. It simply never crosses the mind or registers a thought or analysis. Most of us don't care what your religion is. Its not your twisted idea of southern charm is it? Because its not charming.

Are you this oblivious? I guess you need to travel more out of your small town.

You see, nobody would go there with that sort of name. The only people that go there are exactly the bigoted kind. Now you want to tell me that is a common place joke and its ok? Not in my neck of the woods. I bet many Jewish people don't like it. Are you saying that its a common place joke like "ching chong ching chong" to describe asians in your neck of the woods too? I guess thats normal in your neck of the woods too? You want to share more "common house jokes" with us?

Yawns. Talking to angry bigoted compulsive liars are no fun.

Bigoted. Oh so you want to deny you're bigoted. Compulsive liar. No. Scratch that. Angry compulsive liar.

You know what other populace are angry and compulsive liars? A lot of criminals are angry compulsive liars. Cops see right through it though, even as they try to lie through their teeth, and they still end up in the slammer. Because cops arn't stupid. Thats why.

Oh I was just going by memory. Maybe you spelt it "tew" or anything along the lines. But you were less ingenious about displaying your bigotry in your early days.

http://www.earthempires.com/profile/183/express

You just used the term directly. Lets see. Just a quick glance here. Primary round #238 name. Primary round #212 name.

I mean, other names in other rounds (Primary round 228-232) are amusing too but is besides the point here.

Come on. Why don't you ever admit anything? You know, I once met this compulsive liar in high school. The guy would lie and lie and lie and deny everything and thinks everyone is oblivious or retarded. Seriously a unique personality. It was my first time meeting a compulsive liar. Its like they have a need to say whatever it is that is in their head to try to deflect and deflect, and they actually think it mattered. Like they are the center of the universe and their words are the truth. Instead, everybody sees through BS. You don't trick nobody.

Oh please. Like I care what you're saying. Just deny everything. Nobody cares. Like we don't know what you mean when you say 'zews'. You can deny on the internet that you're not a bigot. But its how you carry yourself in your real life that matters. Winning online arguments is not winning at all. I'm almost certain you're exactly the kind of angry bigoted person I'd imagine you to be. Kinda hollywood portrayed cliche too.

No. Again, with that kind of comprehension, you'd have trouble progressing in civilized society. When someone says another person is an abuser, it is a reflection on the abuser. It is not a reflection on the family. If someone wanted to say something about the family, they would say that. But all of that is a moot point. Since nobody every claimed you are an abuser. The closest was asking if you were, to which you have not answered. So that answer remains a mystery. So, are you?

-1 on your -1.

It wasn't a 'wife remark'. It was a ford remark if that. First of all, it wasn't a statement or remark. It was a question. I don't know the answer. But I want to know. You see the difference? My only remark is ford is an "angry bird". Don't act like we don't all see it.

Also, and speaking generically here, an abuser who beats their spouse is not any reflection on the spouse at all. So when you call out spousal abuse, you're not denigrating the spouse. No. Not at all. You're actually denigrating the abuser. Because it is the abuser's fault 100% of the time in any cases of domestic violence. There is a reason hospital staff are trained to immediately suspect a spouse any time a spouse comes into the hospital with injuries fitting domestic violence. Its because it happens with enough frequency that hospital staff are trained to spot it and get to the bottom of it. One of the first things you try to spot is if the suspected spouse is an angry person. To know what kind of temperament they have. Maybe push their buttons a little and see how they respond. You're trying to spot the traits of a potentially angry and volatile abuser. Nobody ever blames the victim.

BTW I disagree with this assertion.

My main and only thesis is you're an angry person. Easily verified by your attitude and opinionated by more than just myself here. Everybody says it. And you're apparently a racist too. I can tell by your selection of country names on your stats. Nice touch. Not surprising seeing as you're from the south.

But never once did I mention anything about anyone's family. You simply have problems with comprehension. Don't blame that on others though.

I only ever posed the question, again based on the thesis that you're an angry knome, whether or not you let your anger get the better of you. Such as you beating family members. You see, hot headed people do that. Do you do that? I don't know. It wasn't a statement. It was a question. And it was never a statement about your family. It was a statement that is a reflection of you. Its not your family's character that is bad when someone beats their family member. Its the abuser who has problems. Also, have you served time? Again, I don't know. But I've seen the way people who has served time act, and you have all the signs. You can deny it if you didn't. But I am just going by instincts here. Thats all.

After all is said and done, my conclusion from my psych profile of someone like you is you're a pretty angry guy. Likely compulsive. Likely to react physically to any kind of confrontation. Possibly served time. Likely racist and ignorant. You can prove me wrong. But there is no point though. Like.. who cares.

You're an angry bird ford. I'm quoting what someone said. Your sig also reveals a quote suggesting you're an angry person. Nothing like being oblivious. And you're right. This was hilarious. You're like little fluff who gets worked up over nothing pretty easily. Easily trolled online. And in real life, I bet all people need to do is call you a few names to choke you up whatever you're doing also. Because that rage fills in and you can't think straight anymore being so flustered. lolll

wwwwwwweeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh...... lol ur such a lame tard.

just fight right away if you're so eager. None of my countries are that strong and most of them are not setup for warring anyway. And I have no turns left either lol.

oh and speaking as a returning earth 2025 player, if the mod or admin team leaks info to a turd like you then I'm be done with this game.

BTW, lets take off the troll mask and speak truth now for a second. You have anger issues man. I'm sure people see that side of you. And fear it. No fun being around an angry knome. Dangerous in fact. Never know what volatile angry people are capable of. kthxbye

Predictable is good. Predictable is better than angry.

(artie lang voice) wwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaeahhhhhhh

ford you're so filled with rage at the core of you being you can't see straight. It brings out your sociopathic tendencies. Its sad and very unfortunate really.

Reminds me of when these bull terriers or other breeds of dogs that were kept in a cage their entire life as a fighting dog, they never get a chance to love. Those dogs can never become domesticated, or if someone tried to give it a chance they'd end up biting the neighbor or the public and be forced to be put down by animal services because of that. It could be genetic aggression too. You put genetics and nature its a bad combo. Nature and nurture into anger and aggression.

You've already won. I am surrendering on the spot to your superiority. I give the opportunity to war you to anyone in this game willing to take it up. If you are willing to war ford on my behalf, just FS him. Tag is Dino so he proclaims. No need to ask for people's blessings.

lol this guy,..

I don't care... BUT....

Have you done time? You talk like someone who's just out and still living with prison code. Out here where the grass is green and sky is blue, we don't pick pointless fights over nothing. And does driving a lawnmower drunk count as DUI? Yes it does actually.

No business talking about? Calling you an angry man? You're making it my business when you project your anger onto everybody. Everybody's been saying that too apparently. You can't possibly say this was the first time you've been called an angry man and still put up a straight face can you?

As an ugly loser with low IQ, bearer of a bunch of weak countries on FFA, I hereby submit my resignation and surrender. I also hereby announce that I will endorse anyone else in the FFA world to take up the cause to fight the mighty dino tag.

Sincerely yours, worthless loser.

lol i watched that.

and oh (in artie lang voice) weaaaaaaalhhhh.