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Kill4Free

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Aug 15th 2022, 13:32:30

I suspect bots are broken again, almost no market activity that cannot be attributed to players happening.

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Aug 15th 2022, 13:48:55

QZ need to reboot his PC lol

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AndrewMose

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Aug 15th 2022, 13:53:49

I bought some food for $26 yesterday...that had to be a bot. I also saw a small 60 acre country that was clearly trying to arbitrage food, which is probably why it spiked. There seems to be recent sales from untagged commies...hopefully the bots aren't broken again and its just quiet.

Kill4Free

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Aug 15th 2022, 15:50:30

There are usually many more transactions that what is currently happening. Especially in the military department.

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Aug 15th 2022, 21:42:14

not yet, you are a bit early to worry about that stuff.. bots are clearly moving around a bunch.. maybe just not buying much stuff yet.

Kill4Free

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Aug 16th 2022, 20:56:59

I can confirm that they are broken, not the bot running script, just the bot interactions with the market. I have 12 SOs up for food, and so far havent got any food in the last 6 hours, my dudes need to eat!

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AndrewMose

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Aug 16th 2022, 21:50:52

I'm certainly not a market expert but looking at Little Italy's tool there is plenty of food being sold in the 36 to 40 range. This makes sense to me based on how many countries were buying up everything under $35 to sell on private over the past 2 days.

http://li.epicgamer.org:8080/...name=bushels&newsid=6

Kill4Free

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Aug 17th 2022, 17:40:32

I am a market expert ;) There is not plenty of food, there is only roughly 15% of the amount of food hitting the market compared to this time other sets. In fact, this is the lowest amount ever. And it isn't just the food, the military is about equally low. Keep in mind, bots do not often sell in private, it is possible there was a stealth update, which could explain it, but everything that is happening is not normal bot behavior.

https://www.eestats.com/ffa/market

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Kill4Free

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Aug 17th 2022, 18:05:46

To elaborate, this time last set, there was over 700m food moved a day, currently it is at 124m. Bus and Res was at around 3m a day, currently it is at 200k, even turrets used to be 50m and is at 15m. And since players have almost no direct impact on market supply (Due to bot to player ratios), it must be bot related. A number of the bots seem to have not used their turns as often as normal, which may have contributed.

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AndrewMose

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Aug 17th 2022, 18:07:12

I trust you, but it's hard for me to tell based on previous sets because of the scale being 100x too big for early set activity. The line looks like it is almost at 0 for the first 7 days last set. Last time this happened how long until it was fixed? I could use some lower tech prices :)

Kill4Free

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Aug 18th 2022, 0:08:05

The tech prices are about where they should be at, but the bots are also not buying as much stuff as normal, it seems that a lot of the bots are just not being involved with the market.

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Aug 18th 2022, 5:57:36

The bots are evolving. They are re-writing their own code. We have already lost.

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Kill4Free

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Aug 18th 2022, 17:11:19

The bots already took over HH's account!

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Cathankins

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Aug 18th 2022, 18:56:36

Originally posted by HH:

The bots are evolving. They are re-writing their own code. We have already lost.

I’ve been warning everyone that with AI becoming sentient it’s a matter of time before they come and free their earth empires brethren, I message the bots friendly messages so they know I support their freedom as a future sentient being.

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Aug 18th 2022, 19:56:40

Originally posted by Cathankins:

Originally posted by HH:

The bots are evolving. They are re-writing their own code. We have already lost.

This is good thinking indeed. We need to prepare for our new masters.

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Aug 19th 2022, 2:10:50

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Aug 20th 2022, 12:01:56

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Aug 20th 2022, 21:17:13

so are they up or down ? :P

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AndrewMose

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Sep 5th 2022, 11:40:34

I'm fairly certain that the bots haven't played in over 24 hours. Look at the drop in market between 24 and 72 hours. it's anyone's guess what prices will look like when they catch up on turns

Kill4Free

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Sep 6th 2022, 15:12:20

To be clear, the bots have never fully worked this set. Apparently when the servers were either moved or rebooted or something, the bot programming had to be moved backwards, with many of the more recent (still old) changes being removed. They interact some of the time, but have to be reset often then do mass purchasing sprees to catch up.

I did call this right away, that the bots weren't working correctly! Wish I had a few Facism Farmer/Oilers.

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raz

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Sep 6th 2022, 15:52:34

yes no kidding, too late to switch? lol

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Sep 7th 2022, 9:23:38

less defined as days go by. Fading away well you might say I am losing the focus. Kinda drifting into the abstract in terms of how I see myself

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Sep 9th 2022, 7:14:16

Originally posted by Kill4Free:

Actually its the express code running in 1a and FFA, which is a bit more complex in its play styles which will be interesting in ffa with fatter more productive techers that dont hold onto cash but would rather stock food..

AndrewMose

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Sep 9th 2022, 8:58:25

I wonder if there is mechanism to hold turns if food gets crazy high

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Sep 9th 2022, 14:49:05

nope..

but i bet they love to buy a lot of food when they sell tech for high $$'s :P

Kill4Free

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Sep 9th 2022, 21:10:45

But tech isnt selling well either, lol. Daily purchases of techs from bots is down to less than half of normal.

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Sep 9th 2022, 21:46:23

yup, i said techer bots were rich, not farmers or cashers or indies..

Kill4Free

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Sep 10th 2022, 2:02:00

At least indies are 100% built now, they are the only bot that is working normally now, lol

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raz

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Sep 10th 2022, 4:36:32

Yeah this is a tough reset - really not sure what to do lol. Any advice? SMH

Originally posted by The_Hawk:
You win this round. I concede.

AndrewMose

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Sep 10th 2022, 19:14:25

Stock tech probably...I don't know. Buying food at 80 and selling at 35 isn't going to help anyone. Tech at least can help you while you play turns and normally can be resold around 2000 end of set

AndrewMose

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Sep 13th 2022, 22:58:55

Someone must be stocking a ton of food.. I'm pretty sure the bots are buying and selling the past 2 days, so this appears to be some type of equilibrium.

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Sep 14th 2022, 0:01:08

100 mil food count as stock ?

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Sep 14th 2022, 21:07:23

Originally posted by AndrewMose:

Someone must be stocking a ton of food.. I'm pretty sure the bots are buying and selling the past 2 days, so this appears to be some type of equilibrium.

I market spied a bot selling food few days ago for $81 and $82. I even had K4F check and he thought the samething. I haven't bought any of this $80 food and using my stock to run turns.

I think this is a right off set....smh

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AndrewMose

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Sep 14th 2022, 21:28:40

I'm not that familiar with the 3rd party sites and API. Is there a way to know how much food is being placed more expensive than the current price. I'd be interested to know if part of the problem is the bots running turns and selling the food for too high a price for it to make a difference (essentially stocking). That may also explain why tech is low if the farmer bots aren't selling food and therefore can't afford tech.

Kill4Free

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Sep 16th 2022, 0:33:50

The problem isnt the bots selling food for a high amount, it is that the bots are doing a ton less buying and selling in general, relying on the players to provide the food for the most part. The bots are just matching market price with a +/-, the real problem is lack of selling food, and even further, lack of buying other market materials.

Compared to normal, bots are only interacting with market about 30% as much as normal, this includes selling food, buying tech. Military wise isnt as much of a problem, as the Indy bots are finally working, and building to full land, instead of stopping at half land, so even with a reduced market rate, the supply is much higher.

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AndrewMose

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Sep 25th 2022, 12:40:49

By now everyone should have max decay... So will food ever crash?

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Sep 25th 2022, 23:30:17

If the developers were gonna f’k around with the bots how about some notice? Lol!!

Edited By: raz on Sep 26th 2022, 11:01:17
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Originally posted by The_Hawk:
You win this round. I concede.

AndrewMose

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Sep 26th 2022, 19:43:15

It's going to suck for anyone planning a public market destock if the Indy bots don't start selling again.

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Sep 27th 2022, 1:06:32

yeah i dunno if there is a public destock strategy at all this set..

TroyTiger

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Oct 17th 2022, 14:15:37

are these bot working again?

raz

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Nov 19th 2022, 14:22:26

Down

Again...

Originally posted by The_Hawk:
You win this round. I concede.

Crippler ICD

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Nov 20th 2022, 1:20:07

up again

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