What the hell is going on? I was deleted for RULES VIOLATIONS?

Someone please explain to me which rule I violated.

I have played this game clean for more years than most here and have NEVER Violated the RULES in ANY FASHION!

Well, it seems that playing loyal to allies is a problem here. I was allied to MUFASA in express when some jerk comes along and just kills his country for no apparent reason, so I do what I do and avenge my ally.

I log in after the fireworks get started and I'm "Deleted for RULES VIOLATIONS". WTF!

So, if defending and protecting your allies is against the rules, why exactly is there an option to have allies in the game. What am I supposed to do, just shrug and move on?

If this is the case, I'm going to have to find a better game.

http://forums.earthempires.com/...threadid=20757&page=1

http://forums.earthempires.com/...51847192&z=hey-helmut

Is not the first time or the last. Some mods will just push the purple button because they can.

All of you honorable players who believe in the spirit of fair play should consider this a declaration of war against you by the admins of this game. The game has gone to the dogs (not my dogs either),
it has become more of a game of treachery and underhandedness and less about honor and loyalty.

The pigs are going to win no matter how you play. I really am very disappointed that it has come to this.

I've been playing this game since 1996 or 1997. A lot of my friends have either quit or passed on, perhaps it's just my time.

Hope you choose to quit and not the other option.

mmm i think you can usually go to war with someone that goes around killing random people without it being coordination

If someone just randomly killed my ally for no reason it would harm me because I would have lost a major resource. That would justify retaliation without any coordination being involved. And the reason we have this sort of ridiculous GDI is that there used to be too many suiciders ruining the game. But if someone wants to be a suicider then everyone should try to kill them, especially allies of people they hit. Its not fair that Cerberus should be deleted for this.

happen before.

I tried to explain to blid that: if you see an ally being smash by a suicider, is not coordination when you hit the suicider back.

However people report that as coordination and admins seems to always delete ...

It is coordination if you do it to protect your ally. Which is explicitly why you said you were doing it. Cerb doing it doesn't help his ally. His ally is already dead. I didn't know you could coordinate with a dead country after that country is already dead.

What if the country is still alive and asking for help from his allies? What is the rule on this?

If they help him it seems like deletion would be warranted. I guess I could see this deletion making sense if Cerb started attacking the guy who hit his ally while his ally was still alive, in order to help the ally win the war. The ally being dead makes it seem quite silly.

that is part of being a ally, but he shouldn't have been deleted, like he said, why have allies if they aren't allowed to help

mod screwed up plain and simple, hell Ive been fighting three people last 24 hours and they aren't being deleted.

Must b whom you blow, I mean know

http://www.eestats.com/express/country/113

Your previous ally came back as a restart and started up on 113 at the time you were hitting him too...... it was reported, not even by 113 and at the time to me it was considered coordination.

sometimes it sux being the moderator of too much testosterone ms galleri, though I don't understand why we have rules to stop warring in a war game? Dunno.. back to see the damge done by the three yoahoos fighting me. COuld b one with a multi, teo of the three never knew were in this set, until out of the blue they attack. Oh well Ill just attack first next time.

Yall have swirve day!

One of the dumbest rules this game has.

Oh, I think that's fair. Stop playing in packs, that's for team servers.

ok so here is the major issue

i was country #147 and i was also deleted.


2013-11-16 20:47:54 BR Candyland pKi (#68) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 20:47:02 BR Candyland pKi (#68) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 20:46:50 BR Candyland pKi (#68) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 123B 1493 C
2013-11-16 20:46:37 BR Candyland pKi (#68) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 126B 1562 C
2013-11-16 20:27:23 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 20:27:21 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 20:27:20 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:35:33 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:35:22 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 1167C 5 F
2013-11-16 19:34:08 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:34:06 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:33:47 CM a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 185B 5237 C
2013-11-16 19:33:46 CM a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 194B 6020 C
2013-11-16 19:33:43 CM a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) 202B 6920 C
2013-11-16 19:33:35 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:33:35 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 19:33:33 GS a (#147) I Will Eff You Up (#113) DH
2013-11-16 14:56:50 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) noxious is dead (#89) 128B 8171 C
2013-11-16 14:55:20 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) noxious is dead (#89) 133B 9392 C
2013-11-16 14:55:19 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) noxious is dead (#89) 139B 10103 C
2013-11-16 14:07:59 NM I Will Eff You Up (#113) noxious is dead (#89) 219A
2013-11-16 14:07:03 EM I Will Eff You Up (#113) noxious is dead (#89) 17088MU
2013-11-16 14:06:57 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 295B 23 C
2013-11-16 14:06:56 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 307B 25 C
2013-11-16 14:06:56 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 320B 25 C
2013-11-16 14:06:55 CM I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 334B 25 C
2013-11-16 14:06:49 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 5C 143 F
2013-11-16 14:06:48 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 5C 144 F
2013-11-16 14:06:47 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 5C 145 F
2013-11-16 14:06:45 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 5C 145 F
2013-11-16 14:06:44 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 5C 146 F
2013-11-16 14:06:43 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 6C 146 F
2013-11-16 14:06:43 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 6C 146 F
2013-11-16 14:06:41 GS I Will Eff You Up (#113) Appolyon VIII (#18) 6C 146 F




my first country (that i had forgotten to join gdi with) was killed by 113. (my country was 'blid is a huge huge cheater' :P )

i restarted and was then #147 'a'.
upon restarting , as you can see above, i made some pathetic attempts to break down #113 with gs's (i was given 180 restart turns and had little chance to build up to properly wreck this punk).

so i made the 10 measly attacks.
i made them before anyone else attacked them.


THEN it looks like cerb comes in out of no where and him and his allies try to take revenge on the OTHER kill on apollyon.

Galleri erroneously stated taht my allies from my previous country HELPED in this kill run.
my allies were blid and getafix.
NEITHER touched this guy in any sort of killrun.

i had no communication whatsoever with cerb.
i made my attacks merely on the very country that KILLED ME!!! before, and then i stopped as i ran out of turns.

and hits after that are from cerb and crew and are in retaliation to the other kill this guy made.
my hits were clean.
my in game communication was 0.
i made my hits before anyone else hit this guy. i did not continue to hit or know anyone else hit him AFTER.
my hits were GSs. the other hits on him were BRs and chems.
and once again
I SIMPLY RESTARTED AND HIT THE VERY GUY THAT KILLED MY FIRST COUNTRY.


completely in no way whatsoever in any way shape or form any sort of coordination.
cerb and i had no idea what country each other was playing and as he continues to confirm, his attacks and potential coordination was in retaliation to the OTHER kill.
my hits, which happened before ANYONE elses, and were only 10 GSs lolll... those hits were in retaliation for his KILL on my first country!!!
ok so make sense now??

fix asap please.
not ok to make mistakes like that.

either way if you were his ally or not before...

I have restored you both. Please watch this kind of stuff in the future.

Hometurf...coordination rule was added after players rallied for it, it wasn't something made up by mods and admins.... coordination is for alliance and FFA....not solo servers.

thank you galleri, you made a very very good call!
you are a great mod.
love you.

Sounds like Vic is innocent but the others were coordinating. Oh well whatever.

It is a tough and complicated call. We lub you galleri xxxx

I see that it is supposed to b a solo server for the most part. The rub comes in when country a does stupid crap to country b.
Costing allies (c + d) and country b mightily. So even with no coordination country b (c + d)allies, attack the dizwad to wreak havoc on ruining their countries and or set. Now if msgs are passed back and forth ingame setting up a kill run persay than that is coordination I guess. But when no msgs and they just happen to killing dizwad at same time it may appear to b coordinated when in actuality it aint.

So what it does is propagate country a being able to ruin b's set, causing loss to (c+d) allies units, without any fear of reprisal, knowing that if the three or or just two of them attack country b, they get deleted for coordination. Just saying is all.

Like said earlier its gotta suck being mod and not knowing all the facts. Good call and shows a benevolent side of the mods stuff.

restore me too than ...

HAHA THAT WAS TOTALLY DIFFERENT YOU CHEATER

jk i have no problem with alin's past purple being restored, he plays fair most of the time

I don't think I was the moderator of that deletion Alin. Nextly you cannot restore a country from another set.

fluff the green man than!!!!

Restore = aka make it red not purple!

i was hoping to find thread about empty market =)

on topic

so if A kills B then only (restart) B can try to kill A?

Alin literally wrote a message "ill keep him off your back" and then attacked a country in order to do so, there is NO WAY that's not coordination. it's explicitly coordinating. it's like the definition of coordination.

Vic otoh got killed by a guy, restarted, and then hit that guy with his restart, without messaging anyone about anything.

ENTIRELY different.

Questions:
Is asking your allies to bump their defences up because someone is stalking you for a retal, coordination? I did that the set before last, but I wasn't thinking about the coordination rule.

2) Is asking an ally to do a spyop for you coordination? I think it probably is. I did that too.

So nobody is perfect, not even the President, or Rob Ford :)

ps and how about swapping a tech ally slot for someone with much higher defence, during a tech start, or anytime?

pps no wonder the "rules of golf" are about 100 pages long!

@Cerberus In-game allies are only for the in-game benefits provided (i.e defenses for D-ally, tech for R-ally, etc).

Any additional help from them provided beyond the in-game direct benefits (i.e revenging your ally, asking for spyop, etc) is coordination.

Cerbs skull is way too think for you to make sense to him Xin. He has been told this NUMEROUS times.

That would be double think, haha. Sorry, couldn't resist

ps "Doublethink is the act of two headed dog people simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts"

Hey, Crest23, why don't you just STFU! You're a punk and are probably all pimply over this. Worked your zits into a frenzy I'll wager.

I have not been reinstated, I still am presented with the "Create Country" button when I go to the portal screen on express.

did you send a message saying "retal for my ally"

I tought the 2 pages of express forum justification cleared that - at least for you.

But whatever.What happend now and then, it is the same thing. Furthermore the RDer justified his actions on the boards ( btw he`s the one that makes threads about me being a cheater). But i suppose a RDer has your benefit of doubt while i don't.

alin you sound like a little cry baby. don't bring alliance into express matters

that coming for the RDer that made a post on Alliance board about express ?

Well ain't dat a buncha $hit!?!
There's so much to bi+ch about...
There's probably, definately, maybe "unspoken/messaged" coordinated attacks. So anything more than an attack or 2 made by more than 1 country in a window of time should be deleted? Sorta matches description?

And that 24 hr GDI ending thing sux ballz! Could never retal in time myself!!!

Just pissed, that someone doing the "right" thing gets screwed!

Cerb, you are a cool dude and Thank you!

Cerb is among the most honorable and cleanest players to ever ply the game. He plays things right. He refuses to use any kinds of tools on solo servers, but does things the old fashion way by searching.

He saw his ally get killed
He attacked himself.

I'll stand by cerb, and if needed, I'll be happy to show Gallery what real coordination looks like.

I used to AB the whole top 10 in tourny games back in 2000:) That was fun.
Everyone is a pansy these days geesh.

But please note any coordination I did in 2000 was done via messages IN THE GAME! Thats what the message option in the game is for. Let people message and coordinate in game! Then you can verify if its truly in game coordination or not.

That's a better rule:)

meanwhile Cerebus, Thanks for standing by your ally.
Geesh, nazi mods deleting people for helping allies. What's this game coming too?

why is galleri still deleting people? I thought she retired and resigned from her mod duties?

There is a good discussion about tech leeching on the Primary board. I was very harsh in my criticism of Ebert a week or two ago. After further consideration and reading different opinions, I agree with Red X that its OK to have a tech leech if you are D allies. Its easy to jump to conclusions and judge, and I'm sorry Ebert.

getafix, but what if that D ally goes ALL d for you as well!??
(as is the case with ebert and his ally RR)

the only case where the above makes sense to me is if a D ally has basically 0 D, is doubled by 'the leecher's' D, and the leecher loses a ton of turrets from protecting numerous attacks on his undefended ally.
even then if you do the math though, it's grossly unequal.
for example - if in that case, say the tech leecher loses 200k turrets for defending his ally over the set. that's about 20 million - 30million $$ worth.
the tech gained from the leach would FAR FAR FAR exceed this measly 20-30 million $

in fact it would be well over a few hundred million on a good tech set!!! even on a bad set it is way way more than 30 million. trust me!!

in the case of ebert, he is not only getting free tech, he also has a player that is giving him free D. taht is running a D heavy strat, with no intention of finishing well, only to play turns as they come and to give ebert as much D from allies as humanly possible

just did some quick math out. a leecher in express can gain OVER 1 BILLION DOLLARS FROM TECH LEECHING!!!!

it is not. and will never be OK on this server.

I agree that there is a huge benefit to being a leacher. I still feel that it would be unfair to be one generally. But I can see, for example, that if I had 4X the defence of my teching ally who was doing a tech start, this would be a reasonable arrangement.

There is also a huge benefit to having strong DA's. People who have developed a reputation for being good players get good DA's and have a huge advantage over new players from this.

Maybe we should just have random allies assigned. That would make things more fair.

but dude look at the math above.
if you had 4x the d of your ally even then on a bad set you'd only lose like 500k turrets and that's in no way any more than 75m lost right there.
if we are really going to calculate the P and L then we also have to go a step further -
consider the EXPENSES also lost from the lost turrets.
so that balances the 75m loss to 65 or even as low at 55m right there!

consider that with the fact that the type of leech RR gives ebert gives him well in the league of an extra BILLION dollars cash.
no comp here my man!!

it's actually pretty much flat out cheating