If someone can explain to me why it's wrong I'll change my plans.

i'll land grab you. :)

73 kittens die for every acre you self farm

its not that its "wrong"

just expect to be grabbed... hard :P

and as an admin... you should be promoting the interacting between players that traditional land grabbing promotes...


not promoting self masturbation :P

isn't "self masturbation" kinda redundant?

I've heard a lot of talk about how it's ruining the game and heard whispers of pacts being declined or offered based on the issue. Someone thinks it's wrong.

I'm sure that many warrers use all 16 of their countries while killing other countries. If warrers only hit with one country per target, members of their tag would have to interact more and work together. Is it wrong to do a solo kill with 16 of your own countries?

no...

because i could masturbate you if i wanted...

so there is need to identify who is doing the masturbation :P

i dont think its ruining the game... i just dont like the way it promotes playing as an individual rather than a whole clan...

because lets face it... nobody around here stays for the game... its the people that make the game what it is... and more interaction between people, means more fun :)

not the same thing at all.

when u war, you dont kill your own countries, so u are still interacting with a community of players.

i like the game and the people. i don't self farm though because of the people.

meh you can still interact within your clan a lot when you self farm.. having land and stock competitions with your clan mates is one of the reasons I'm a netter.. and to brag when I beat Twain

If self farming increases the total networth of my clan, how am I not playing for the clan? Not self farming would be detrimental to my clan.

How is self farming not interacting with other players? Look at the first post in this thread: "i'll land grab you. :)". Does a player have to be aggressive (killing other countries) as opposed to passive (getting grabbed by other countries) for it to count as interaction? If I decide to play 16 all-X countries, is that wrong too?

Yeah I don't see how it's any worse for the server than running all-x countries.

The one problem I do accept with it is that as long as people continue to do it.. it's virtually impossible to compete for the t10 without also doing it. But it's came to be accepted that that's just the nature of the server.

if you are smart with DR then u wont get any LGs....

what you offer is slavery to 15 of your countries and their citizens... they will do what you say and give all their goods, land, and money to their master... then you tell them that they should be happy that you feed them your scraps after you are done

lame :P

thats not true

Last set i waited 3 days to LG someone who was self farming and putting his country into DR's

it was worth the wait since my country was only exploring like 6 or 7 acres per turn :-)

lol...

this is too much reading for a stoned person...

just trust me... self farming is bad

9 outta 10 doctors agree

I dont put myself in DR.... its lame nad waste of turns=P... then again id ont pump 1 country.

Self farming is for pussies.

Self farming promotes having VERY low defense, which results in the market to suck ass. People need to get over their themselves when it comes to being grabbed.. it creates ghost acres in the game and we grabbed more the more acres would end up coming out of it and increase interactions 10 fold.

Self farming leads to Mars and, well.. fluff mars

or land trade with urself and have that effect without having to run high defence :P

FYI Self farming also creates ghost acres. So do people 'need to get over themselves when it comes to self farming' too?

Logic isn't your strong point, is it?

lmao I love it... I'll fix it tomorrow g'night!

Our Articles of Justice says it pretty well...


"9. Self Farming: This is a simple rule. It is not allowed. You can explore or Lg countries to build you land. Self Farming is a cheap method to earn land. This is a war game and if people do not like it, tough. The game loses its meaning if people want to win cheaply."




Swords official stance is posted in our Retal Policy. We will not pact clans that Self Farm.


The best times in my FFA career were when SS/PSing into other tags happened each and every day. When keeping up with all the retals united a clan and helped forge friendships. When clans had FA's that actually had to do just that, FA.


All that changed the day clans 1st started Self Farming. Now I can sit back and watch our news, and I'd be suprised to see more than 10 hits into our tag within a 24hr period.


If you eliminate Self Farming, you encourage hits between tags. You encourage members in your tag to be more active, you work together to create a clan that other clans don't want to hit. Because you always make your retals. Clans that are not active, it will show by how well they are able to retal hits into there tag.


Self Farming is just a way for lazy players to do there turns, be done with it, and still be on top. Because they don't want to actually work at something to be the best.



Go ahead, Self Farm if you want. Self Farming is slowly disappearing. To my knowledge only 4 clans left that do it. KA, PANLV, FoCuS and TKO.


We had a long discussion in another thread regarding this. TKO and PANLV both said, if the rest of the server stopped Self Farming. They would as well.


But unfortunatly some KA members didn't want to loose there only known playing style, and didn't want to learn how to net legitely.

DeDly... this game isnt the same as it used to be.

i paly this game for friends ive made through this game. i want to play lazily. This isnt about the game anymore. The game is secondary. So lazyness is what i want.

Slag...you wanna self farm then go for it. all we are saying is that certain clans like NBK dont agree that that style of gameplay is good for the server, and so do not expect to be able to hold onto that land..especially if you are in a clan not allied to us.

you wanna go and get fat at the sacrifice of your other 15 countries? then go on, put all you eggs in one basket and we will gladly raid that basket...cos its much easier to take 30k acres in one grab than it is to grab 16 countries once each :-D ..oh and dont expect to get L:L back on a retal either, cos if you wanna try that one on, we got a ton of killers who will take you for everything you got :-)

have a nice set.

simple thing is people didnt like it cause llar whooped everyones arse in the netting game when he did it....

people fluffed and moaned....

now others are doing it...


i think its a pointless arguement, if its within the rules then y the hell not...

makes no difference to me netting is for poofters anyway ;)

Self farmign is n00b. Land trading is 1337

yeah we arent saying "self farming is against the rules". its your choice. but FA politics in FFA are not the same as alliance server, and so you will have more trouble holding onto your land because clans here do not accept L:L.
So when you get to 150k acres and we grab you for 30k in one hit, dont go pissing and moaning, cos you asked for it...and we warned you :-P

RIU makes a good point....

a choc chip cookie for him...

There have been a few low land countries that finished in the top ten. Clearly they weren't self farming. It would also be harder to compete without doing mass FA or market buyouts. Doesn't make it wrong to do so. I also understand that some of you don't feel that it's wrong to self farm, but are simply trying to explain the opinions of others. I appreciate that.

I have a few issues with what DeDLySMuRF posted. I could make the same argument about solo killing: it's lazy, doesn't require much skill, and things would be better if people worked together to get kills. Are any warrers out there willing to give up working together with all 16 of their countries?

It's not wrong to run a string of all-X countries. Some players choose not to aggressively interact with other countries. That is a valid diplomatic strategy. It appears that both the nature and community of this server tend to clamp down the parts of netgaining that most players would consider to be the most "skillful". Outrunning retals is nearly impossible when everyone has 16 countries. It's also a good way to get your countries killed.

Self farming is wrong. All-x countries are wrong. Bottomfeeding and farming other tags is wrong. What is right? Waiting for someone else to get more land and then hit him with your low land country?

EDIT: If you guys like grabbing high land countries, clearly you should be in support of self farming? I never said that I minded getting grabbed.

KeTcHuP,


I highly doubt any of the Admin's want to keep the game with the current members it has. I am sure they want new members. What encouragement do new members have if they do end up playing here?


Clans don't hit each other, so instead they learn that hitting themselves instead of other peoples countries is better. What happened to this game being a war game? Didn't the original login screen have a fluffing TANK rolling across the screen to blast your ass?


If you want new members, want to take the game back to 45k+ members, get rid of Self Farming. It makes the game more interactive between other players.



I bet 1/3 to 1/2 of the players currently playing FFA, at one point were new. Didn't have any clue what the hell they were doing. But hitting other peoples countrys, sending missiles or AB's when they probably shouldnt have, kept them coming back day after day until they finally joined a clan. Then through the process of making retals and SS/PSing into other tags, they learned the game. They are the Veterans of today. They are the players posting on FFAT today.


If we want this game to flurish again, we need to get back to the fluffing basics. Make this a War Game again. Not just some place for people that have played this game for 15 years to come back and create perfect netting strategys that New Players could never, EVER recreate.

Slagpit,


Why did you create this thread? To troll? If you created this thread just to try and say "Self Farming" is legit instead of reasonably talking about it, you have no merit and neither does this thread.


Your minds obviously made up regarding self farming, so what is the point of your ramblings?

I do not self farm, but I will war any alliance that starts a war over another alliance doing self farming.

I fail to see how eliminating self farming encourages hits between tags. What it does is it deters players from playing FFA when you limit the acceptable play styles there, especially when you are limiting acceptable play styles that don't even harm other people.

If you want FFA to grow, then you need to allow self farming and allow land:land retals.

The problem is on both sides of the fence Slag, quite often the self farmers who get grabbed for tons of acres start complaining about the fact that they cant possibly get their land back because we dont accept L:L.
if your ok with us grabbing you for 30k acres and dont care that your retal only gets you 3k back, then great lol.
all we are saying is that if you wanna self farm, then be prepared to get grabbed big time. and dont expect to get it back. NBKs view is that its unhealthy for the server as it reduces player interaction. and so we choose to give others incentive in the form of a pact with us to stay away from self farming. Its purley our decision to take this stance.
what you choose to do is up to you. we wont kill you off purely because you wann self farm. we just wont pact you and will target you for land.

DeDly-
The worlds a different place now. Why would anyone spend horus playing a text based game now? Before this was higher tech. If i wanted to be online for horus upon hours a day ( like warring reqruires) and wallign within 15 minutes, then id paly something faster passed, WoW or games. Not a text based game.

I think we wont ever be at 45k players... and we never were. Id say at the peak maybe 1-2k people played earth. The rest were mutlies.

yummmmmmmmmm :-D

I made this thread because I'm relatively new to FFA and don't fully understand the server. I also don't want to engage in something that's harmful to the game, as some have claimed, without a good reason. My mind isn't made up, but so far no one has changed it.

Obviously I put some thought into what I'm doing, since I plan on self farming. As far as I'm concerned, you can do nearly anything you want to do with your 16 countries. Having them work together is a logical strategy. That strategy allows players to solo kill other countries and to aid countries to the top. That's not really possible for a single player to do on other servers. That's part of what makes FFA unique. I don't see how self farming harms other players, so by default I don't believe that it's bad for the server.

I am interested in hearing the opinions of others. If you post in this thread, I will probably challenge you. If you don't like to be challenged, this probably isn't the thread for you.

Also RIU- If you grab for 30k acers a propeget back retal will get back MINIMUM 7k acres. If you are going to be 150k+acres you better get your butt in DR 24/7.

I land trade with myself to 30-40k acres. I dont put myself in DR (waste of turns). If a 10k acre coutnry itll grab me for 5k acres, and ill retal for 4k acres, grab my retaller back, and end up higher on land from the ghost on hitting my retaler.

So its not that bad=)

Having the ability to run 4 techers and forming a tech ring decreases player interaction. Therefore, we should kill anyone who allies their techers together, and force them to interact with other players and find other players to get tech alliances with. Right?

Ketch, i was throwing figures out there guessing...i dont self farm and i have never had that many acres in my playing career so i am not a full ball on what you would get out of a retal lol.
i have played in warring clans for 99% of my 12 years playing earth and EE...i can teach people how to kill, but dont ask me how to net haha.
Like ive said, if you can make it work for you, then everyone can do what they wish with their countries. no-one here has said its against the rules.

Rip It Up: Thank you for offering a reasonable and well thought out response. If you don't mind me asking, how does NBK feel about the following?

-all-X countries
-mass FA between countries
-allying your countries together

Rockman, out of all the things you can do with your countries, we believe that self farming is the single biggest threat to the interaction of the playing community and so we choose to concentrate on this more so than anything else.

Slag see my response above to Rockman.

same applies to your q's.

Yeah, I was about to edit my post. Isn't it true that there are more all-X countries than self farmers? I would assume that to be the case.

So what's the other part of the problem? Is it because it's so visible or because it's so effective?

the joy of this game is we can all play how we like,as long as its within the rules....

killing and netting are similer, both are better with a clan behind you,but doing it on ur own is fun too....

we all enjoy the game as we like....

most clans(inc KA) do not allow self farming, but thats by choice....

this was once a war game,but we have to accecpt every set ppl are trying to out net each other....

the game is the most even it has ever been in its history.... we are closer to the allaince style of play than ever and thats cause its fair to say 90% of the server is legit....


its fun again and im in a clan who in relaity is going to get stomped this set cause we got FS by a well orginsed cln with more countries, in the past we would of just made more than them and smacked them, but this game i much more fun than the past cause it doesnt take as much of ur life...

Exploring for land is different. Its the default way to get land, especially in the early days of country building. You cant avoid exploring for land.

you can avoid self farming your countries, and choose to grab other players for land, which is what we in NBK believe is more in the "spirit" of the game.
besides, im speaking for myself her, but how much more fun is it to grab another country for land and try to defend it? i know that was one of the aspects of the game that got me hooked in the first place :-)

Also, as someone who hasn't been playing FFA for very long I'll offer my thoughts as to why I decided against grabbing other tags in the usual sense.

There are many warring clans. Some of them are bored and will war at the slightest provocation. I don't want to upset someone and have my countries ruined or get my clan in trouble.

Each clan has their own mile long retal policy. They seem to all be different. The rules are confusing.

I can get to around 30k acres just by exploring. Successful grabbing means that I want to get to more acres than that. Even if I manage to grab successfully without pissing anyone off, I have no way of defending my land. Without L:L, those countries that I worked hard on would eventually be reduced to the average land of the server.