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Tross Game profile

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Jan 13th 2011, 21:44:04

We will deal with retals as we see fit!

Edited By: Tross on Aug 1st 2011, 22:49:59. Reason: New policy!
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SuperFly Game profile

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Jan 14th 2011, 3:37:09

MKR will accept missle retals.

really?

if you LG me I can retal with Nukes?

OrigOzzyB

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Jan 14th 2011, 5:03:33

(a top feed is if the attacking country has LESS land than the defending country BEFORE the attack)
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So if I hit an MKR country with 20 more acres than me, you consider that topfeeding?

Tross Game profile

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Jan 14th 2011, 9:04:42

Originally posted by SuperFly:
MKR will accept missle retals.

really?

if you LG me I can retal with Nukes?


Lets say I lg you for 500a then it would be acceptable for you to nuke me for say 800a! But wouldnt you rather get your land back plus ghost acres? We accept missle retals but also have the right to missle retal!

A futher clarification on Top Feeding will be posted on this thread!


kwmi Game profile

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Jan 14th 2011, 16:47:40

Originally posted by SuperFly:
MKR will accept missle retals.

really?

if you LG me I can retal with Nukes?


This is mainly for untaggeds to give them a chance to retal, its a policy we've always had so we decided to keep it. Obviously any country or clan capable of retalling would rather regain the land than just destroy it with a nuke.

As for top feeding, Ozzy, you are correct in your interpretation. Hitting any country with any amount more land than you is a top feed. Our policy on top feeds only dictates L:L, however. So if you don't want to get taken for L:L, then hit somebody smaller.

L:L is 90% of original land lost (does not include ghost acres). So unless you really make an epic topfeed, L:L will likely be over with just one grab.

These are our policies and this is how we will conduct retals made on our clan. We will also accept all of these policies when we landgrab other clans.
MKR - HFA

Mr. Lime Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 4:24:31

Jan 13/11 11:41:12 PM PS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) I Will Topfeed (#80) (xDRx) 147 A (+83 A)
Jan 13/11 11:40:46 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) I Will Topfeed (#80) (xDRx) 115 A (+62 A)
Jan 13/11 11:40:30 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) I Will Topfeed (#80) (xDRx) 139 A (+67 A)
Jan 13/11 11:39:23 PM PS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) Embrace The Calamity (#157) (xTFx) 32 A (+40 A)
Jan 13/11 11:39:21 PM PS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) Embrace The Calamity (#157) (xTFx) 33 A (+42 A)
Jan 13/11 11:39:18 PM PS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) Embrace The Calamity (#157) (xTFx) 34 A (+43 A)
Jan 13/11 11:38:36 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 74 A (+68 A)
Jan 13/11 11:38:16 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 77 A (+71 A)
Jan 13/11 11:38:03 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 81 A (+70 A)
Jan 13/11 6:07:02 AM PS Satans Ring Piece (#32) () Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) Defence Held




so this guy could be killed tomorow and mkr won't defend him right?
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kwmi Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 5:35:41

I could ask the same thing for every single landgrab RD makes, with your 1:kill policy.

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Thomas Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 5:40:45

OH SNAP

Detmer Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 6:12:13

While your escalation and L:L criterion are slightly different than what I prefer... I give this policy a big thumbs up!

gwagers Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 6:33:34

...Should I be scared? It's not often we get Detmer's approval.
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joedro Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 8:14:31

yeah you should let me missle the guy that did this :P

Jan 13/11 11:38:36 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 74 A (+68 A)
Jan 13/11 11:38:16 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 77 A (+71 A)
Jan 13/11 11:38:03 PM SS Earth Empires (#120) (MKR) We come in peace (#43) (xHGx) 81 A (+70 A)
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contact- - pm right here will work just fine tho

ViLSE Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 11:55:13

Just kill it joedro, its their policy after all.

DIStopia

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Jan 15th 2011, 13:57:05

Kwmi you have tried that before. If memory serves we weren't the ones surrendering

Thomas Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 16:32:55

You guys might want to deflate your chests a bit. I know you think you're invincible and all, but you're going to bite off more than you can chew.

Mr Lemon Chiffon Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 17:56:16

Thomas, I really don't think MKR wants advice from you about thier policies and what they can chew.

If anyone bit off more than they can chew, it's you.

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de1i Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 18:13:46

Turns > text.

Edited By: de1i on Jan 15th 2011, 19:10:05
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DIStopia

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Jan 15th 2011, 19:01:20

I'm going to enjoy farming thomas immensley for the rest of the reset.

de1i Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 19:10:13

Originally posted by de1i:
Turns > text.

Tertius Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 19:58:39

@LC Oh, I assumed that Thomas was referring to RD in his post.

Thomas Game profile

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Jan 15th 2011, 21:02:17

I was. He's just an idiot.

And good luck farming me. Unless you can't handle having a 2:1 advantage and need to call in more tags, you'll have a hard time farming me.

Ciao.

kwmi Game profile

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Jan 16th 2011, 6:09:26

don't triple tap a clan that can kill you is the rule here.

I don't see why there is so much confusion about a retal policy.

There is no way a retal policy can include every contingency.

We're more than happy to deal with hits on a case by case basis via contact through our FA, this is just a basic guideline of what you can expect.
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OrigOzzyB

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Jan 16th 2011, 8:07:45

I just think your definition of a top feed is fluffing stupid.

kwmi Game profile

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Feb 17th 2011, 22:47:13

amending the retal policy so that top feed and L:L is defined as 25% more land. So if an 8k country attacks a 10k country, this is the limit for not top feed.
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Mr Lemon Chiffon Game profile

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Feb 18th 2011, 2:51:56

Attackers land x 1.25 (before the attack is done) should be equal to or less than the defender's land and it will not be a topfeed.
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W Game profile

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Feb 18th 2011, 2:54:05

silly top feeds, got to keep them fed
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Tross Game profile

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Feb 18th 2011, 7:43:36

Updated!!!

Tross Game profile

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Feb 21st 2011, 14:24:05

Update 2!!!

Navisis Game profile

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Feb 21st 2011, 14:39:54

great

Dragonlance Game profile

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Feb 23rd 2011, 3:55:57

i don't accept land based topfeeds in any server.

luckily the chances of me grabbing or being grabbed by MKR are like 0% anyway:p

trumper Game profile

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Mar 6th 2011, 16:03:59

So 3:2 on a doubletap. Good stuff. What do you do for a harmful spy op? Is that another 1:1? I'd love to know.

kwmi Game profile

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Mar 6th 2011, 16:46:56

you can take what you can enforce
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trumper Game profile

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Mar 6th 2011, 19:57:35

Originally posted by kwmi:
you can take what you can enforce


We've never had a problem we haven't been able to fix one way or the other at FBI except for Zen's sexual tendencies, but that's another story all together.

kwmi Game profile

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Mar 22nd 2011, 1:23:47

Originally posted by Tross:
We take 1:1 on the first hit (assuming L:L is not needed).
We take 1:1 on the second hit.
We take 3:Kill on the third hit. ( Thats 3 hits during set!)

We take L:L on top feeds (a top feed is if the attacking country has LESS land than the defending country BEFORE the attack). L:L is complete if 90% or more of the lost land is taken back.

L:L is defined as 25% more land. So if an 8k country attacks a 10k country, this is the limit for not top feed.

Hitting a MKR warring tag could result in the killing of your country instead of the intended Kill Target. It is the responsibility of each leader to inform it members on embassy issues!

We recognize a retal window of 48 hours.

MKR will accept missle retals.

MKR doesnt support cross tag retals!

All MKR tags will have MKR in their tag name. If there is a tag without MKR in tag name it will be posted in the forums no later than 3 days after set starts!

Note:If your country is killed by MKR and you threaten MKR with your restart then your restart will be killed again if threat is carried out.

Contact kwmi or me for further clarification!


Retal policy updated, no longer 2:1 for second hit. 1:1 for first and second hits. So if you make 2 hits on MKR, you will receive 2 retals. This is more fair IMO. Grabs on countries with more than 25% of your land will still be treated as topfeeds and L:L will be enforced. 3 hits is still Kill, unless other arrangements are made between FAs.
MKR - HFA

Tross Game profile

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Mar 22nd 2011, 11:09:29

Oringinal post updated!

Rockman Game profile

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Mar 22nd 2011, 19:09:13

A 48 hour retal window. Does that mean that if you fail to kill a country within 48 hours of its last attack on MKR (if it gets on to stonewall, for instance) that you will cease all attacks on that country?

Rockman Game profile

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Mar 23rd 2011, 14:47:58

Please update your retal policy to reflect that you do indeed do cross-tag retals.

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Mar 23rd 2011, 15:34:45

Originally posted by Rockman:
A 48 hour retal window. Does that mean that if you fail to kill a country within 48 hours of its last attack on MKR (if it gets on to stonewall, for instance) that you will cease all attacks on that country?


I kind of like this policy.

Ravi is going to get pointed to this. Of course we would have to enforce it on both sides. So if we couldn't kill it in 48 hours, it would get to go free. But if they can't kill ours in 48 but continue to hit, we would have an excuse for war.

Thanks Rockman!

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Tross Game profile

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Mar 23rd 2011, 15:58:24

Unless kwmi corrects me there is no 48 hour window on Killing a country that goes aganst our policy! Sometimes it takes 24h to get a fa contact!

A Kill window is interesting but nobody but MKR sets MKR policy!

Somebody please tell Rockman a cross tag kill is not a retal!

MKR DOESN'T DO CROSS TAG RETALS UNLESS THEY ARE OFFERED FOR REPS!!

Rockman Game profile

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Mar 23rd 2011, 16:03:21

Originally posted by Tross:
Unless kwmi corrects me there is no 48 hour window on Killing a country that goes aganst our policy! Sometimes it takes 24h to get a fa contact!

A Kill window is interesting but nobody but MKR sets MKR policy!

Somebody please tell Rockman a cross tag kill is not a retal!

MKR DOESN'T DO CROSS TAG RETALS UNLESS THEY ARE OFFERED FOR REPS!!


If it is not a retal, then is it an act of war? If so, then declare war on LaF. If it is not an act of war, then LaF is justified in retalling any attacks done by MKR or MKRWlvs on #51.

If you kill in retaliation but will not set a time window for the kill, then you need to alter your retal policy to state that the 48 hour retal window applies only to the first and 2nd hits, and that the 48 hour retal window does not apply if the offending country hits more than twice.

I am not setting MKR policy. You were the ones who stated there was a 48 hour retal window, not me. If you wish to rescind the 48 hour retal window, feel free to do so.

Edited By: Rockman on Mar 23rd 2011, 16:05:21
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Tross Game profile

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Mar 23rd 2011, 16:28:29

If you want a better example go hit rd many times!
If you want to debate contact kwmi!

ZEN Game profile

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Apr 12th 2011, 0:50:55

Originally posted by Rockman:
Originally posted by 119:
And we hear the same explanation for farming untags. Its an alliance server, so either join up or get farmed. Yet, even as the numbers continue to dwindle in Alliance people continue to repeat their policies as if they should be in place.

My policy: 1 hit per country per 48 hours.


You have your right to your policy, but you cannot expect to enforce the policy if you do not join an alliance. If you fully expect to be killed, then you can use whatever policy you want knowing you'll get killed for it.

If you want to have a policy that other alliances will respect, then you need to have the ability to enforce that policy.

Untaggeds can only enforce their own policies regarding their own actions, they have no ability to force other alliances to change their policies towards untaggeds, except in making it unprofitable for that alliance to maintain that policy.

If you make it so that alliances find it unprofitable to retain their current policy and more profitable to alter their policy, then you will succeed. Your best bet is to actually be reasonable in what you expect alliances to allow, such as 1 hit per alliance per 48 hours, not 1 hit per country per 48 hours.

If you make it clear that you will suicide anyone that kills you for your policy, then they may alter their policy if yours is reasonable. However, since your policy is extremely unreasonable, even the threat of suiciding with your restart will not be sufficient to cause any alliance to change their policy.


AH HA HA HA. Look at this BS. Tross and co. Feel free to post this for Rockman whenever he complains.

gwagers Game profile

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Apr 12th 2011, 2:11:02

I thought Rockman was tagged. Figured he wouldn't complain otherwise.

...I'm missing something obvious, aren't I?
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ZEN Game profile

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Apr 12th 2011, 3:47:02

Should have explained a little better.

He is whining about your retal policy. And yet in his own words he says the following.

"If you want to have a policy that other alliances will respect, then you need to have the ability to enforce that policy."

Which is the point that everyone has been trying to make. You can have any policy you want, as long as you have the people to enforce it. Which you do.

gwagers Game profile

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Apr 13th 2011, 6:42:30

In other words, yes, something fairly obvious. Thanks. [kicks self]
Peloponnese (PEHL-oh-puh-NEES): a mythical land of cheesecake

"We cannot enter into alliance with neighboring princes until we are acquainted with their designs..."--Sun Tzu

Who has time for that? BLAST THEM ALL!

Tross Game profile

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Jul 20th 2011, 17:21:27

Bump°

A little reminder!

Lord Slayer Game profile

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Jul 20th 2011, 19:03:22

Thanks Tross

Dragonlance Game profile

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Jul 21st 2011, 3:16:46

you seem to have forgotten to include a proper timescale for your retal policy.

48hrs is normally acceptable on this server so i will assume this is the case =D

Tross Game profile

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Jul 21st 2011, 8:33:34

I need glasses too! :) I read 48h retal window?

Dragonlance Game profile

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Jul 21st 2011, 8:39:16

i'd like it noted that the large line that clearly states a 48hr window was inserted by a magical faerie post me reading this thread....

Tross Game profile

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Jul 21st 2011, 17:10:48

What ever!

You know this thread has been read 1000 times but still people still act as if they have never seen it.