and then you could bounce it because you miss calculated the tanks, right k4f? :)
bottom line here is noone has posted legit reason for not self farming that hasnt be refuted and proven wrong. i havent self farmed in over 2 sets, but i certainly will fight for the right for others to do it.
So far the main arguement against self farming has been a loss in player interaction.
And yet majority of self farmers who have posted here have said they would either bottom feed untags or all explore. How is this helping interaction at all?
Plus banning it would probably cause a membership drop cause doing 16 all explorers is aboring as fluff.
(if everyone in the server self farmed, you would still see cross tag grabs, Because hey if my 20k acre farmland is close to the nw of a 60k acres country, Sure why the hell not grab it)
It's boring. To me anyways. It's novel and fun for about the first week or two you do it.
There is a skill set involved though. If you're actually self-farming as a strategy, you have to manage your land properly. I think accountants would love self farming.
I started reading and got sleepy so if this is repititious then a mod can delete it. lol
I wouldn't go so far as to say that self farming is bad for the server as it sits right now but I will give ya a couple things to think about...
FFA will need to either become a completely self farming server or completely non self farming server because its impossible to compete with self farmers in netting which I dont think there is any argument on. As it is right now none of the war clans self farm but if they did then it would give them a HUGE advantage and the other war clans would have to either start oop warring them every set or start self farming as well to keep up.
so basically the server would become a who can self farm the best challenge and netting would be pretty watered down. I dont know whether it would be a good thing or a bad thing but basically we cant stay in this hybrid state for long cause all it will take is one war clan self farming/land trading and FSing someone a few weeks in with like triple the NW for things to slide really quick. I can't really picture a fully self farming server being very fun but who knows I dont claim to know everything ;) I can imagine that it would totally change the dynamics of the server so who knows, maybe it will stir things up a bit.
ps. it took me like 45min to finish that cause I kept getting distracted.
yea sorry synoder by stating that self farming would give a warring country a large advantage has just killed your credibility in the arguement. clearly youve never self farmed. the turns and money wasted are terrible for a war build unless you plan on having a week 6 war.
nah I have never self farmed so I could be wrong. Land trading was more of what I was thinking cause having 1 big country and 15 small ones wouldn't be that great. Say for instance that TKO country with 40k acres right now stopped farming and built for the next week/2 weeks you think my country that is at 5k acres would be better built for war?
yea sure, he has 1 awesome country and 15 crap countries. id much rather have 16 well rounded countries. itll be a week before he has all those aacres built and able to start making money/teching. that country wouldnt be useful in a war til at least week 3 and at that point if you can build a country worth a fluff, killing it will be easy.
hmm makes me want to test it ;) Seems like you would be able to land trade and be ready faster than what you are saying but I will take your word for it cause you guys have tons more experience than I do in that area.
Self farming the way you, bleh, netters do, kills you for war. Doing a round robin farming spree, you can nearly double the land of your countries within a day, and have most of it built up too.
I guarantee any single one of you, that I can have better war countries self farming after say 2 weeks, then you could have without self farming.
The strategies just have to change a bit for how you do it, but you wouldn't wanna face what I would have afterwards.
sorry i know the claim that focus self farms came a while ago. but truth is i don't think we do at least not regularly, and not at all this set. but like i say nothing against it.
I don't do it mainly because I'm truly that lazy. I've always been all explore, could care less about my net at the end of the set!
what if you dropped land during the fs? that may kinda defeat the purpose tho cause you probably wouldn't have had that much time to benefit from the land.
A few very good reasons.
One is that we don't like it when people self farm instead of attacking us in general.
Second, if we pact one self farming clan, based on the nature of NBK's grabbing habbits, it completely unbalances the netting competitions.
And thirdly, we want your land.
I am more tempted to prove that it can be done exceptionally well, instead of the actual desire to be a higher NW.
While I do not condone self-farming, I do not condemn it neither, as some of my past members through the last decade have done it. However, one has to realize too, that with some tags out there -- that some tags are more heavily pacted than others, and while some upstart rookie tag that may know half of what their doing, they would (at least I hope) know that grabbing some of the larger tags is akin to painting a bulls-eye on your tag for the rest of that set if not following sets.
In some cases some tags have had to do it to survive, in other cases it's been more as a strategy to build the largest country possible to either break the land record or break the record for highest networth for a single country. As far as the former, I see no problems with it, even if you want to complain or get all sanctimonious about the subject. As for the latter, Some of the larger alliances (we all know who they are) have been practicing this for at least the last decade if not longer.
\ in other cases it's been more as a strategy to build the largest country possible to either break the land record or break the record for highest networth for a single country.
Or to set the highest ave net. This can be about more then pumping one country.
True... then again, I haven't been one to follow the status quo, and that I believe is what has set myself and SOTA apart from the rest for the last decade.
Again. Since this trend began in Earth: 2025 Free For All, I have always maintained the position that while I do not condone it, I will not condemn anyone for it either.
The two have nothing in common when looking at the stats for the respective styles of play.. As far as I know, the traditional style, (non self farming) doesn't have a snowball's chance in Hell, to win the game, in the FFA server! And this is a disservice to those that have learned the skills needed that are involved in making successful land grabs. What is similar to grabbing everyone else but your countries, and grabbing nothing but your countries? I see it as apples and oranges.. They both may be fruit, but they sure as hell don't taste the same.
The dynamic is completely different. IMO it's SO different, I see it as cheating. (I can hear the flamers)
So, for example, when looking at the rankings for top land totals, it really doesn't reflect bonafide/traditional acres grabbed. From my point of view, these rankings are not correct, and shouldn't be tallied because you have grabbed your own land to begin with! This defeats the whole purpose of grabbing land.
Laars, made this pretty evident. Especially when referring to the most land grabbed category. You can't tell me that the 123,637,557 acres shown there, were properly earned.
You hit another clan's country, big or small, 20 times, unless you are a very smooth talker (outstanding FA), that country will be dead. (This also touches on the player interaction issue)
There are more of these rankings that also reflect the wrong stats.. just doesn't reflect the 'true' numbers.. Perhaps if these were split into acres via self farming, and traditional acres grabbed, it may be a much truer view..
When you get land from your own countries, you LOSE military in both countries.
Some of NBK's crew, really enjoy looking at these statistics. It's fun to see how we all stand.
There's an inherent fundamental problem here.. When your countries attack each other, it violates your own people and military, not to mention pacts between themselves..
They aren't, I believe by design, to attack each other.
To sum it up, one of our crew put it this way....
"self farming is wrong .....self infliction of pain.."
itd all be solved if hitting within your own tag yeilded no ghost acres :P then you could still do it and it wouldnt make you as massive thus slightly gooder competition among the self farmers and ones who dont
