I'm fairly certain someone...or something... is lurking about pulling gremlin $hit on players. I experienced, along with some other players, a few odd happenings this last set. One being the falsely reported death of a country on the score board and my war room.

First off, I was grabbed 5 times in a row by im back (#120?). I didn't appreciate this move, so I killed him. I was happy because he had 316/250 turns left, and could have easily done the same to me. Needless to say I blew through most of my spies and mad money greasing this fool. Surprise to me, on EE you get to resurrect your country with a chunk of resources and half your mil. That's Fkin retarted, first off, but that's a separate post...I guess thats what I get for never having been killed here before...

Needless to say, having left my country low on def, since no one else was messin with me, and im back(#120) was dead, I signed out, pondering victory sex with my girlfriend, or more killing on Unreal Tournament. I don't have a girlfriend and my other country is heavily reliant on the market, so I did another walkthrough only to discover that, within hours, I had been killed by...Im back(#122). What the F.... No way he had enough turns to even be out of protection, let alone KR me.

Then it gave me the option of restarting with my turns and resources/mil. New to me, but a chance for revenge.

I promptly checked his stats, looking to avenge my people, and he was already dead. News showed nobody hit him, and my generals claimed the same, so he must have self-deleted. Pu$$y, I thought...again no girlfriend, so back to the game...

I start building up again, annoyed at my loss, but pleased to know that suiciders have a paradise here on Earth.
The following day, a scant few hours from the end of set, I see Im back(#122) had killed a country...I think "Wow, he was dead hours ago...now he's killing again"...so I once again KR him. Sign in a couple hours later, and I've been killed once more, this time by oh yeah (#130), 2 hours prior to end of set. With 25 minutes to go I end the set by killing oh yeah (#130) one last time.

I gotta say guys/gals, this reset your killed country, so you can enjoy being a suicide dinkhole is pretty lame, and prob came about when the high netters couldnt stop whining about losing out, and demanded some form of soft landing, rather than settle for flaming the anonymous douche on the boards.

This rule, as comforting as it is to know you can restart with a bonus, including all your turns, and a care package, it is obviously one of the easiest forms of abuse this game has become prey to. It actually makes it easier to be a suicider, as you will respawn again and again, with enough turns (as long as you stock while waiting for the inevitable retal from your fallen opponent) to continue a kill cycle that only stops when the clock runs out.

This rule needs a thorough review, as does the account of the player who killed me and several other countries. I expect a full report on my desk before the start of the next Express set.


All My Love,

no lube 4 u (#123) (restart)
ballz deep (#131) (restart)

Youll have to talk to the boys in alliance about it. the mods created restarts because it was supposed to make them have better wars

Yeah, when you are killed and restart, you have 15 turns of protection for your country. Once those 15 turns are used, you can come out swinging or come out being swung at.

"Needless to say, having left my country low on def, since no one else was messin with me, and im back(#120) was dead, I signed out, pondering victory sex with my girlfriend, or more killing on Unreal Tournament. I don't have a girlfriend and my other country..."

LOL

+10 thread

restarting with goods is good for alliance servers and war. it makes it so your weeks of work cant be completely wiped out in 20 seconds on clan servers. it helps retain players because they dont have to start over. It rewards walling because the percentags of goods you restart with is based on defends of your dead country. you can also easily identify restarts through this, and if you are not a dumbass, and are in GDI, the restart cant kill you.


deal with it or dont. your choice. just because you are ignorant to the differences doesnt mean they are bad differences.

I think he pointed out why he felt the change was bad in his opinion. His points not having to do with ignorance of the workings of the system or the reasoning behind them. His points are good. The effect of killing someone is severely diminished when they can turn around and kill you back the next day, or even just cripple you so soon. There's much less victory in a kill with this...and isn't really much of a kill then. It's just a cushion to help war-minded people on here cope and get some form of revenge soon. If the majority of the people want to be pandered to, then you all can do that. I'd personally like to see it restricted to team/alliance servers.

Eloquent as ever ford. What I see in your post is that it is in fact for netters "weeks worth of work", does not apply to clan as no self respecting fighter in alliance is going to live that long. It is for war and alliance, not a sprint net competition, OR Primary if it exists there as well. The time it takes to kill someone can vary on your target, obviously, but the retal KR would force you to spend the rest of the set building up a new war machine { more spies, oil, cash, etc.} with enough turns, and then you're pecking at mostly dead or failed countries.

This restart in express brain fart is perfect for abuse and ruining sets for NEW players who will probably be in the bottom brackets as they learn. So you are leaving them to 2 or 3 meat grinders. That $hit won't retain players any more than your cheerful demeanor.





A far better response to my formal request for review, this member points out the most important points here, restrict it to war servers and fine tune the policies to take into consideration new players being offered bonus points to "purchase" an insurance policy, like GDI. Costs you $ per turn, more $$ based on NW{Units,tech,etc}.

Secondly, it really does deflate the victory if you know they watched you use your turns, and are already launching their kill run, before you've even recouped readiness. Not for Express.

Lol, you still believe that?

He is just butthurt that he got fluff on by someone who knows the game a bit better than he does.

In his logic we will lose more players because of assholes abusing the restart rules, than we would from people having to start all over after dying. The vast majority of the community dissagrees.



that is exactly what GDI is.... it is extremely simple to not be bothered by greifers. join GDI. problem solved. your entire complaint is now null and void. you seem to want to take away an advantage of being killed just because you are too cheap to join GDI and not start fluff. Now if you do decide to get into a war with someone, the restart bonuses make the war fun for both sides. you dont have to sit at your computer and wall all day in order to keep fighting. stop being butthurt because someone killed you when you thought you were safe. the benefits far outweigh the consequences that you seem to think exist. I think you just want to be able to kill countries you dont like with impunity. what a joke.

It's "fun" to get into a kill cycle with a suicide player? It's "fun" to battle tooth and nail only to see your opponent reborn rather than vanquished? Was it "fun" for Mrs. Ford to see you with no pants, then walk around in public referring to you as a "man"? Well it's not Ford, it's no fun at all.

GDI stops harmful ops, special attacks, and being hit by someone double or half your size. It does NOT guarantee a restart should you be killed. It's not insurance, it's a shield for netters. You pay money to be safe and boring. "I don't even use spies, cause they cost money, and it cuts my netting down. I don't use troops or tanks either! Yeah, not having to buy Spy tech hurts the market overall, but who cares? :D !!!"

It is unfortunate that you feel my sole purpose is to kill people I don't "like", that is misleading and vague. I don't like cheaters, bots or suicides. I also hate clan warfare in solo servers. I didn't kill im back, Im back, and oh yeah because it's what I wanted to do with my time, I did so because he was on a killing spree, and multi hitting or killing everything below 2 mil NW, which is mostly noobs, and players who may be finishing a set long battle, only to be wiped clear by some random A(_*_)hole.

I did a job that was for mods and people who are so fond of "helping" low ranking players that they build and "play" farms while doling out hate messages in-game berating new players and threatening them repeatedly.

Next set, you should make a country whose sole purpose is to clear the low ranks of the meat grinders. You know they'll be waiting. It is FAR more helpful for the new players to not have to restart over and over, and to see that prolific posters and mouthy c^nts such as yourself can actually back up your claims of "helping" the community of players.

as i said, if they join GDI, they wont have to fight the same people over and over...... if you are in GDI and follow it's simple rules, you can not be killed unless you have really low land.

i have been running a landfarm for this server, offering advice in game to people who grab inefficiently and killing cucumbers that farm like assholes for a year or so btw. not complaining about getting killed by someone i killed. you might wanna jump on someone else for not doing anything for the nubs.

I killed someone who was preying on the low ranking community. The poor and needy of Earth. The ones outside the walls of GDI, free of shackles and extortion. I am PROUD to have suffered my first loss to keep him from chopping weak players. I did it several times. He went from 5-6 hits on multiple countries, plus kill runs, to fighting me and backing of those who never saw it coming and were just puttering along trying a new game or strat, or may not even know how to properly defend themselves.

And it doesn't matter if you harvested the FIRST landfarm, it's still more helpful to patrol the board for suicides and haters than it is to get a couple hundred acres, $5 mil and some food, along with some snarky phrase about "don't be a land wh0re, I'll kill your children while you sleep"

clearly you are the super hero this game needs.

Not until I reach 10,000 posts

Only then...

if you are attempting to make fun of my 13.8K posts over the span of 5 years, it is little more than 7 per day. you have equaled that average today.

what does that say about you?

Could def change this for express; that might not be that hard actually...

I would support removing it from express sever. It's not necessary. Kill em dead i say.

I would be in support if it were removed over a certain amount of turns spent (or attacks made) so that people can't just grief people coming OOP. I personally wait until I have enough turns stored up, but not everyone here does that.

qzjul, I appreciate your timely response on this matter.

While I think the idea of golden parachutes in Alliance does have its merit, generally there is an expectation that you will be killed, possibly multiple times. It's nice not to start from scratch, and leaves you viable not vulnerable during wars.

Here in Express the setting is more of a net sprint, running along side are new players, lazy players, bots, killers and abandoned countries. If you stay under 2 mil, given the 360+ turns you could kill 2-3 players a day, and even if they restart, chances are they'll either D up, or kill you and get a restart with loaded turns and mil/spies/$, etc.. then you start the kill cycle. Even raw talent such as myself can only work within the physics of time, and turns are not generated by sheer will, as I have tried many, many times.

A meat grinder.

I think blocking it altogether would be great, simply put, it is far too easy to abuse.


Does exposing this vulnerability, possibly saving new players and retaining base earn me +1000 post points? I'm shooting for 10,000 by next month, but I will also accept cash wired directly to my Primary account. Approx $2 billion please.

~In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity.~
Hunter S. Thompson

No you can't have posts. You have to put on ur troll pants made of spam just like the rest of us...

So this is a netting only server now.

Nice.

well considering you feed us land and nothing else, i think that benefits a netting server.
if you wanted a war favored server, or at least a more war favored server may i suggest going techer, still being landfarm and teching straight warfare so we can all pick some up when we hit you? then we'll all be warfare heavy and it'll encourage us to drop bombs instead of net

That wasn't my frame of reference to my point. And even so, my goal clearly isn't to net..... you twisted that pretty far lol.

How bout an example. I have forgotten to join GDI from time to time and have been known to get randomly killed. You are saying I shouldn't have a legitimate shot at revenge because suiciders and greifer are too strong even though GDI is there as a buffer zone?

Not everyone plays this server to net. The 360 turns onhand make for some fun battles. But sure, let's remove that aspect of the game. I'm sure it is worth it because a few people don't join GDI.

yea, there's no reason to tweak anything about restarts.

I like the GDI default idea... should think about how to implement taht

(for express!)

GDI default?

So you ARE extorting us then...

Being in GDI restricts your play, and would essentially void harmful ops, unless war is declared or multi taps, which is basically the same thing. No more banks, oil raids, tech, etc...

You won't be able to soften your target, reduce troops, clear jets to avoid retal, all that fun stuff.

You probably like my idea about using bonus points to "purchase" restart insurance. I think it would definitely encourage more players to click ads, and spread the gospel about EE.

you can still bomb banks and raid oil stores from in GDI. no, you cant first strike war someone by blowing up all theiyre jets or demoralizing to hit someone out of range. But thats newb play anyway. You would only do that stuff if you were tryin to start in a war.

In which case. Opt out of the GDI. he said Default, he didnt say mandatory

Tards gon tard.

Epic thread LOL

lol i remmeber the time my mom was helping do my math homework and i saw she made a mistake i was like "Whos the tard now???" andi got in trouble lol

So, if I have someone in game who has been opin me, and I check in on them, and see they are stocking mass jets for a strike, rather than be able to bomb their jets/burn oil/banks/bio,etc..., making their FS much more difficult, if not impossible, that is a good thing? If there is a target who is well above me, but would yield a massive payday, if only I could weaken their forces, rather than blow my cash getting over the break line, that is a noob thing?

The point of the ops was to be able to do things OTHER than jets vs turrets, or jets vs turrets. "I build ALL jets and turrets!! I'm able to get Top 10 in NW because I spend almost nothing on mil defense, aside from turrets."

I have to pose these questions:

When a bank robber goes to hit a bank, does he first join the UN council, and thereby gain approval from GDI authority to steal money or oil? Does GDI need to approve your crew setting off buildings or demoralizing? If the only time you can wear down your targets readiness is AFTER the war has begun, then it means you are warring, not FS/Top Feeding, yes?.

It's up to the target to decide if the hit was worth war, since readiness can always be built up. GDI makes it so that once the netters, which is top 30-40 in most sets, can't be touched by anyone except other netters, and then it's always the 1 tap net, double tap bottom/bot feed, so nobody gets their feelings hurt. I could build jets half the set, and hit 2 or 3 bull netters, and make all the cash and land I need to spend the rest of the set stocking rather than hunting, but that simply can't happen. I would take advantage of the countries who don't buy def so they can get higher in the NW brackets, and earn myself thousands of acres , pre-built land, money, tech, etc....

Before I hear about how its "for the new players too", that's across the board bull$hit, as every new player on Earth is fed off like there's no tomorrow while netters climb. GDI doesn't do fluff for them early, and by the time they've got a decent offense/defense, the only targets left in range are other new players, or war mongers or failed countries. GDI is not about protecting new players, it's about retaining net, and not having to worry about anything other than Hit,hit,hit, get grabbed, hit again, do this 50 or 60 times, buy out the market, and YAY I FINISHED TOP 10!!! That was so creative and difficult. You should have to worry about something other than jet vs turret count + weapons tech + other high school math, plus I know who hits who, and which are bots {who dont retal}, so now the game is THAT much easier for netting....



New players, unlike earfs claim, prob won't have the skills to know how to demoralize, dissent, disarm, and clear out a much larger target, they WILL however be farmed into oblivion when 6 or 7 other netters see an easy grab with 0% defense sucess, since earf or whoever just cornholed the n00bs defense.

Blocking harmful ops, I think, has more to do with the fact that the SPAL calcs are messed up here, so a spy country would prob decimate any and all targets.



At the very least EXCLUDE harmful ops from GDI protection. The resources gained through some of those ops keep players who have difficulty managing their own resources afloat, and makes top feeding, or stalling a FS a reality.

wuts diz

sounds like g0nz0 wants to stock all week and then blow it all on troops/oil/mil strat tech and then kill whatever country he wants because everyone should have 'enough' defense.

I skimmed, though.

g0nz0 doesn't want to change his strat to fit the game, so he wants the game changed to fit his strat. You know, the usual.

LMao if you're response to someone with jets spying on you is to bomb theiy're jets. OMG so dumb. Congrats the person who was going to grab you is now going to all out war you. Way to prevent the grab!!! , g0nz0


Yeeeeeeeeees lol. Demoralize + top feed = you in a war, again. these is just the kind of things noobs do. Only way you can get a way with it is if it is perhaps on a retal.

you're post was already so wrong at this point that i skipped the next 1000 words #sorrynotsorry

You skimmed, thats for damn sure. What I actually said was that I could build jets early, top feed a few healthy targets, then spend the rest of the set stocking for net, as opposed to hunting for endless targets. It's "earf"-style risky, but so is any land grab. It's all up to the target. Spend NW hitting me back, or just deal.




As I stated earlier, it's up to the target. If I demoralize, and top feed, it's up to the larger, net-minded country, to hit me back, and blow through their resources on a retal. Most likely, their retal is FAR less painful than what I got from them. No high shelf countries are willing to war over a grab, even a significant one. Maybe 1 retal, and move on, but rarely, if ever, warring.

I see that you guys are scared, safety from spy ops means a fraction of Mil costs, less spy tech, no real need for IA and the ability to run on low def. You SHOULD have to buy up troops and tanks during the game, not after multitapping, THEN D up. NW would be harder to earn, and keep things creative. Plus there would be more than just cheap jets/turrets. As it stands troops/tanks/spy tech are weak as hell most markets.

P.S. Spy calcs favor, BY FAR, the aggressor, so this could be one reason to fight against harmful ops...if you're afraid....

they do not have to "blow through resources" to retal your top feeding garbage country. They will war you if you demoralized to make a top feeding grab esp if they are out significant land after retal. You dont really seem to get how things work,. lol

Not saying you dont understand how to blow up jets or demoralize and grab. Just saying you dont understand basic human response to you doing such things to them'

Earf, you seem like someone I can trust, I know you haven't yet reached 10,000 posts, but you are mostly literate, and stand a good chance at comprehending my origins here on Earth.

A few years back, I was hangin with some new friends who were apparently big Earth2025 fiends. They kept compelling me to build a new country, and claimed I could rule Earth with the few clicks of a keyboard. Thinkin about it, "ME a king?! Hells yeah!" The mans name was Murphy or Muffasa. He asked if I believed the world around me was real, "Occasionally" I replied. He then offered to share his secret to unlock the reality that was on the other side of the mirror. He held out a red and a blue pill. He didn't give much information, but I took the red, because that's the safest bet when there's no writing on the coating. He kept asking this guy Hank if he'd been able to trace me, but I use TOR so my IP was difficult to locate, but when I tried to explain this all that came out was "Maybe I should take another pill? I have a pretty high tolerance." This chick named Divinity was starin at me and kept on about "He's the one? Seriously you guys, you sure he's the one I'm supposed to shag? Gross! I'd rather play Angry Birds and eat kale the rest of my life!" Next thing I know, I wake up, strapped to a chair, and handcuffed to a keyboard. Before me sits a 20 yr old CRT monitor, a cranky desktop PC, and Wifi from a place called 'McDguest'. They gave me a bed pan, wipes, hand sanitizer, a case of water and some MRE's. Once a week they bring me another case of water, and empty my bedpan into ziplocks for "more lab work". I'm not sure what they expect to find, something about the stress of traveling across dimensions, and the strain it puts on your mind and body. I'm no doctor, but it sounds legit.

This is the only place they let me go, besides Torrents, and I just want it to be perfect...

Now you know earf, this is why I fight for the people, I am the chosen one. Soon, I will discover what I was chosen for, but as of yet, I figure it has something to do with Earth...

Hey, is this Iccyh tweaking?